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RE: Lion Predation - Spalea - 09-04-2020
A Mapogo male lion takes down a buffalo, and one other male comes to help it killing it.
" Mapogo Lions of the Sabi Sands bump into a Buffalo Herd and kill a young calf. We tracked the lions from early morning and then found a buffalo herd walking in their direction! Thanks to Gary Parker (ranger) and Ronald (tracker) from Leopard Hills who skill in the bush enabled us to capture this lion kill. "
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 09-07-2020
On this video Makulu Mapogo is eating leopard tortoise. It can be heard and seen many times how it bites and breaks the shell of the turtle. Leopard tortoises have tough shell and here lion is eating it like it would be crunchy biscuit or something...
I think, that in between 6:30-7:00 can be heard how Makulu bites and crushes the shell. Anyway at 8:30 it lifts the turtle and at 8:33 it can be seen clearly how it has crushed big part of the shell making it easy to eat the turtle inside. At 8:50 Makulu seems to break whole turtle shell to two peaces with ease. 10:49-10:55 also very crunchy.
Quite something to watch, I do hope that not all the lions learn to understand how strong bite they have, turtles are so slow...
RE: Lion Predation - BA0701 - 09-07-2020
(09-07-2020, 12:57 AM)Shadow Wrote: On this video Makulu Mapogo is eating leopard tortoise. It can be heard and seen many times how it bites and breaks the shell of the turtle. Leopard tortoises have tough shell and here lion is eating it like it would be crunchy biscuit or something...
I think, that in between 6:30-7:00 can be heard how Makulu bites and crushes the shell. Anyway at 8:30 it lifts the turtle and at 8:33 it can be seen clearly how it has crushed big part of the shell making it easy to eat the turtle inside. At 8:50 Makulu seems to break whole turtle shell to two peaces with ease. 10:49-10:55 also very crunchy.
Quite something to watch, I do hope that not all the lions learn to understand how strong bite they have, turtles are so slow...
Incredible demonstration of the tremendous bite force these animals possess. Something I'm not sure we can fully appreciate. Mak was the impetus behind my desire to learn more about these magnificent creatures. Thanks for sharing this!
RE: Lion Predation - Spalea - 09-07-2020
(09-07-2020, 01:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote:Yes, I remember having been surprised that the biased "specialist" Varty told that only tigers, unlike lions, were able to crunch the tortoise's shell... See:(09-07-2020, 12:57 AM)Shadow Wrote: On this video Makulu Mapogo is eating leopard tortoise. It can be heard and seen many times how it bites and breaks the shell of the turtle. Leopard tortoises have tough shell and here lion is eating it like it would be crunchy biscuit or something...
I think, that in between 6:30-7:00 can be heard how Makulu bites and crushes the shell. Anyway at 8:30 it lifts the turtle and at 8:33 it can be seen clearly how it has crushed big part of the shell making it easy to eat the turtle inside. At 8:50 Makulu seems to break whole turtle shell to two peaces with ease. 10:49-10:55 also very crunchy.
Quite something to watch, I do hope that not all the lions learn to understand how strong bite they have, turtles are so slow...
Incredible demonstration of the tremendous bite force these animals possess. Something I'm not sure we can fully appreciate. Mak was the impetus behind my desire to learn more about these magnificent creatures. Thanks for sharing this!
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-lion-predation?pid=66704&highlight=lion+turtle#pid66704
At #586 and following. But also two previous accounts (and short movies) at #584 and #585.
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 09-07-2020
(09-07-2020, 01:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(09-07-2020, 12:57 AM)Shadow Wrote: On this video Makulu Mapogo is eating leopard tortoise. It can be heard and seen many times how it bites and breaks the shell of the turtle. Leopard tortoises have tough shell and here lion is eating it like it would be crunchy biscuit or something...
I think, that in between 6:30-7:00 can be heard how Makulu bites and crushes the shell. Anyway at 8:30 it lifts the turtle and at 8:33 it can be seen clearly how it has crushed big part of the shell making it easy to eat the turtle inside. At 8:50 Makulu seems to break whole turtle shell to two peaces with ease. 10:49-10:55 also very crunchy.
Quite something to watch, I do hope that not all the lions learn to understand how strong bite they have, turtles are so slow...
Incredible demonstration of the tremendous bite force these animals possess. Something I'm not sure we can fully appreciate. Mak was the impetus behind my desire to learn more about these magnificent creatures. Thanks for sharing this!
They do without any doubt have bite force, which could be described with one word. Enough. When they choose or understand to use it fully is another thing. There was one quite recent video here or in interespecific conflicts in which a lion broke spine of a hyena by biting it´s neck. Or was it some other bones, I don´t remember now, but it bited hyenas neck or head and sounds were brutal when it could be heard how bone(s) was(were) breaking. Hyena is after all quite robust animal.
RE: Lion Predation - BA0701 - 09-07-2020
(09-07-2020, 01:24 AM)Spalea Wrote:A very interesting study, as I was always under the impression that hyenas had a more powerful bite force than lions or tigers, according to the study @Shadow referenced in his post there, hyenas are not even close, almost 1/3, with the lions coming in at 1314.7 and the spotted hyena coming in at 565.7. A huge difference.(09-07-2020, 01:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote:Yes, I remember having been surprised that the biased "specialist" Varty told that only tigers, unlike lions, were able to crunch the tortoise's shell... See:(09-07-2020, 12:57 AM)Shadow Wrote: On this video Makulu Mapogo is eating leopard tortoise. It can be heard and seen many times how it bites and breaks the shell of the turtle. Leopard tortoises have tough shell and here lion is eating it like it would be crunchy biscuit or something...
I think, that in between 6:30-7:00 can be heard how Makulu bites and crushes the shell. Anyway at 8:30 it lifts the turtle and at 8:33 it can be seen clearly how it has crushed big part of the shell making it easy to eat the turtle inside. At 8:50 Makulu seems to break whole turtle shell to two peaces with ease. 10:49-10:55 also very crunchy.
Quite something to watch, I do hope that not all the lions learn to understand how strong bite they have, turtles are so slow...
Incredible demonstration of the tremendous bite force these animals possess. Something I'm not sure we can fully appreciate. Mak was the impetus behind my desire to learn more about these magnificent creatures. Thanks for sharing this!
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-lion-predation?pid=66704&highlight=lion+turtle#pid66704
At #586 and following. But also two previous accounts (and short movies) at #584 and #585.
RE: Lion Predation - BA0701 - 09-07-2020
(09-07-2020, 01:45 AM)Shadow Wrote:(09-07-2020, 01:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(09-07-2020, 12:57 AM)Shadow Wrote: On this video Makulu Mapogo is eating leopard tortoise. It can be heard and seen many times how it bites and breaks the shell of the turtle. Leopard tortoises have tough shell and here lion is eating it like it would be crunchy biscuit or something...
I think, that in between 6:30-7:00 can be heard how Makulu bites and crushes the shell. Anyway at 8:30 it lifts the turtle and at 8:33 it can be seen clearly how it has crushed big part of the shell making it easy to eat the turtle inside. At 8:50 Makulu seems to break whole turtle shell to two peaces with ease. 10:49-10:55 also very crunchy.
Quite something to watch, I do hope that not all the lions learn to understand how strong bite they have, turtles are so slow...
Incredible demonstration of the tremendous bite force these animals possess. Something I'm not sure we can fully appreciate. Mak was the impetus behind my desire to learn more about these magnificent creatures. Thanks for sharing this!
They do without any doubt have bite force, which could be described with one word. Enough. When they choose or understand to use it fully is another thing. There was one quite recent video here or in interespecific conflicts in which a lion broke spine of a hyena by biting it´s neck. Or was it some other bones, I don´t remember now, but it bited hyenas neck or head and sounds were brutal when it could be heard how bone(s) was(were) breaking. Hyena is after all quite robust animal.
I have not seen the video you mentioned, but many of us here may be very familiar with this particular instance of what you described, only it was Kinky Tail Mapogo having his spine snapped by the Magingilane. Fitting, perhaps, since you had shared a video of Makhulu eating the turtle. The amount of force required for such a thing to happen is immense. The part I mentioned happens at 2:06, for some reason this video will not allow me to share it with a timestamp.
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 09-07-2020
(09-07-2020, 02:18 AM)BA0701 Wrote:Bite force is maybe somewhat difficult matter when talking about some tests, which have been made, those seem to be problematic. If only a few bites, does anyone know how hard really some animal(s) bited. But it´s clear, that certain animals have more than enough strength in their jaws, if they just use that potential, like Makulu did on the video. Some lions would just roll that turtle to different positions and not quite knowing what to do. Not because they couldn´t do the same, they just don´t get it and the turtle survives.(09-07-2020, 01:24 AM)Spalea Wrote:A very interesting study, as I was always under the impression that hyenas had a more powerful bite force than lions or tigers, according to the study @Shadow referenced in his post there, hyenas are not even close, almost 1/3, with the lions coming in at 1314.7 and the spotted hyena coming in at 565.7. A huge difference.(09-07-2020, 01:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote:Yes, I remember having been surprised that the biased "specialist" Varty told that only tigers, unlike lions, were able to crunch the tortoise's shell... See:(09-07-2020, 12:57 AM)Shadow Wrote: On this video Makulu Mapogo is eating leopard tortoise. It can be heard and seen many times how it bites and breaks the shell of the turtle. Leopard tortoises have tough shell and here lion is eating it like it would be crunchy biscuit or something...
I think, that in between 6:30-7:00 can be heard how Makulu bites and crushes the shell. Anyway at 8:30 it lifts the turtle and at 8:33 it can be seen clearly how it has crushed big part of the shell making it easy to eat the turtle inside. At 8:50 Makulu seems to break whole turtle shell to two peaces with ease. 10:49-10:55 also very crunchy.
Quite something to watch, I do hope that not all the lions learn to understand how strong bite they have, turtles are so slow...
Incredible demonstration of the tremendous bite force these animals possess. Something I'm not sure we can fully appreciate. Mak was the impetus behind my desire to learn more about these magnificent creatures. Thanks for sharing this!
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-lion-predation?pid=66704&highlight=lion+turtle#pid66704
At #586 and following. But also two previous accounts (and short movies) at #584 and #585.
One good example of strength is on video of captive lion Aslan from Norway. It jumps and bites horse leg hanging in the air and hangs on there for a long time and at that time Aslan weighed 250 kg himself. Of course they have to have extremely strong bite, when looking at size of the prey they have to suffocate time to time. It would be impossible to hang on the throat of some fighting cape buffalo if not really strong bite. Whatever some tests or studies tell, there are many hints of the true power if looking at some of these things and thinking a bit what it demands.
RE: Lion Predation - BA0701 - 09-07-2020
(09-07-2020, 03:00 AM)Shadow Wrote:(09-07-2020, 02:18 AM)BA0701 Wrote:Bite force is maybe somewhat difficult matter when talking about some tests, which have been made, those seem to be problematic. If only a few bites, does anyone know how hard really some animal(s) bited. But it´s clear, that certain animals have more than enough strength in their jaws, if they just use that potential, like Makulu did on the video. Some lions would just roll that turtle to different positions and not quite knowing what to do. Not because they couldn´t do the same, they just don´t get it and the turtle survives.(09-07-2020, 01:24 AM)Spalea Wrote:A very interesting study, as I was always under the impression that hyenas had a more powerful bite force than lions or tigers, according to the study @Shadow referenced in his post there, hyenas are not even close, almost 1/3, with the lions coming in at 1314.7 and the spotted hyena coming in at 565.7. A huge difference.(09-07-2020, 01:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote:Yes, I remember having been surprised that the biased "specialist" Varty told that only tigers, unlike lions, were able to crunch the tortoise's shell... See:(09-07-2020, 12:57 AM)Shadow Wrote: On this video Makulu Mapogo is eating leopard tortoise. It can be heard and seen many times how it bites and breaks the shell of the turtle. Leopard tortoises have tough shell and here lion is eating it like it would be crunchy biscuit or something...
I think, that in between 6:30-7:00 can be heard how Makulu bites and crushes the shell. Anyway at 8:30 it lifts the turtle and at 8:33 it can be seen clearly how it has crushed big part of the shell making it easy to eat the turtle inside. At 8:50 Makulu seems to break whole turtle shell to two peaces with ease. 10:49-10:55 also very crunchy.
Quite something to watch, I do hope that not all the lions learn to understand how strong bite they have, turtles are so slow...
Incredible demonstration of the tremendous bite force these animals possess. Something I'm not sure we can fully appreciate. Mak was the impetus behind my desire to learn more about these magnificent creatures. Thanks for sharing this!
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-lion-predation?pid=66704&highlight=lion+turtle#pid66704
At #586 and following. But also two previous accounts (and short movies) at #584 and #585.
One good example of strength is on video of captive lion Aslan from Norway. It jumps and bites horse leg hanging in the air and hangs on there for a long time and at that time Aslan weighed 250 kg himself. Of course they have to have extremely strong bite, when looking at size of the prey they have to suffocate time to time. It would be impossible to hang on the throat of some fighting cape buffalo if not really strong bite. Whatever some tests or studies tell, there are many hints of the true power if looking at some of these things and thinking a bit what it demands.
I agree fully. Methodology plays a big factor for several reasons as well. When talking bite force of lions, you have to also, I believe, take into account muscle stamina. I lion who suffocates their prey requires a lot more stamina in their jaw muscles, as opposed to say a hyena or painted dog, who are less concerned about killing their prey prior to ingesting it. Using your example, the amount of time required to suffocate a bull buffalo with be much greater than say a small antelope. When sofocating a buffalo, the lion must maintain extreme levels of pressure for an extended period of time. Unless, of course, tonic immobility has occurred, then it could affect those times as well. I've never heard of tonic immobility in a Cape Buffalo though, not sure if it can affect them too or not.
RE: Lion Predation - Rage2277 - 09-07-2020
tough wildebeast
RE: Lion Predation - Spalea - 09-18-2020
Michael Laubscher: " Not for sensitive viewers.
Probably one of the most difficult moments I’ve been a part of while hosting my @wildeyesa guests on Safari. "
RE: Lion Predation - Spalea - 09-20-2020
Daniel Rosengren: " These lions had discovered a warthog in its den. They were taking turns digging without success. At a time when the lions were resting around the den, the warthog tried its luck with a quick dash. Sometimes this actually works, but not this time. A few minutes later, only bones remained.
Serengeti National Park, Tanzania. "
RE: Lion Predation - Spalea - 09-21-2020
Johan Van Zyl: " The king feasting...
Lions in Hwange National Park are known for taking down young and weak Elephants during the dry months of September and October.
We found this Male Lion at first light feeding on a fresh Elephant Carcass. "
RE: Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities & Differences - Scout - 09-30-2020
A Lion from Nairobi named "Sirikoi" who specialises in killing adult buffaloes, solo
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RE: Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities & Differences - Shadow - 09-30-2020
(09-30-2020, 07:36 PM)Scout Wrote: A Lion from Nairobi named "Sirikoi" who specialises in killing adult buffaloes, solo
Great photos, the way some lions openly challenge huge prey animals even without surprise/ambush element is always astonishing to see. Usually in this kind of situations predators back off and flee to wait for better opportunity. This kind of photos explain good from where expression "lionheart" comes from.
He doesn´t look like a lion to mess with. He makes Mr.T look like a kitten, imo
