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RE: Lion Predation - Spalea - 01-27-2019
@Shadow :
About #583 and #584:
I believed that, unlike tigers, lions were unable to break a turtle`s shell (According to John Varty...) with theirs jaws. Perhaps, yes as concerns the captive lions. Otherwise I would like to understand: it isn't an hyena - with its formidable jaws... - that has broken the shell before these two lions, in this case there wouldn't be any flesh to eat. So what ? How were those shells broken ? Does the death soften the turtle's shell ?
Or do we tell anything about lions ? John Varty being initially a filmaker and not a biologist...
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 01-27-2019
(01-27-2019, 12:44 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :
About #583 and #584:
I believed that, unlike tigers, lions were unable to break a turtle`s shell (According to John Varty...) with theirs jaws. Perhaps, yes as concerns the captive lions. Otherwise I would like to understand: it isn't an hyena - with its formidable jaws... - that has broken the shell before these two lions, in this case there wouldn't be any flesh to eat. So what ? How were those shells broken ? Does the death soften the turtle's shell ?
Or do we tell anything about lions ? John Varty being initially a filmaker and not a biologist...
Look at this and listen carefully, when this leopard bites in the middle of this footage.
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 01-27-2019
(01-27-2019, 12:44 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :Also according to this study, there is only quite small difference between lion and tiger. Also both have clearly stronger bite compared to for instance jaguars and hyenas.
About #583 and #584:
I believed that, unlike tigers, lions were unable to break a turtle`s shell (According to John Varty...) with theirs jaws. Perhaps, yes as concerns the captive lions. Otherwise I would like to understand: it isn't an hyena - with its formidable jaws... - that has broken the shell before these two lions, in this case there wouldn't be any flesh to eat. So what ? How were those shells broken ? Does the death soften the turtle's shell ?
Or do we tell anything about lions ? John Varty being initially a filmaker and not a biologist...
http://www.academia.edu/239888/Bite_forces_and_evolutionary_adaptations_to_feeding_ecology_in_carnivores_Ecology_
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 01-27-2019
About leopard tortoises, here is quote:
"Natural predators on young/eggs include monitor lizards, snakes, honey badgers, jackals, mongoose,
eagles, and crows; however, adult tortoises have also been reported to be preyed upon by lions in
Kruger National Park and hyena in Bwabwata National Park (Broadley 1989, Bonin et al. 2006, Branch,
2008, Hanssen and Cunningham, 2012)."
Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324005472_Stigmochelys_pardalis_Leopard_Tortoise_IUCN_RED_LIST_Assessment
RE: Lion Predation - Spalea - 01-27-2019
@Shadow :
About #587: I know the difference between the tiger's bite force and the lion's bite force is quite small, but I was sacarstic about what John Varty dared to pretend. I waited for an occasion - to see a lion eating a tortoise - to be so.
About #588: annoying for the adult tortoise to be killed by hyenas and lions ! How could they escape to their predators ? If the shell doesn't help them, their quickness neither.
Thank you for the links !
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 01-27-2019
(01-27-2019, 02:39 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :
About #587: I know the difference between the tiger's bite force and the lion's bite force is quite small, but I was sacarstic about what John Varty dared to pretend. I waited for an occasion - to see a lion eating a tortoise - to be so.
About #588: annoying for the adult tortoise to be killed by hyenas and lions ! How could they escape to their predators ? If the shell doesn't help them, their quickness neither.
Thank you for the links !
Well it doesn´t look like to be too easy, many times lions give up too. But when finding a good spot to bite with full force... maybe some individuals learn the trick and some don´t... One more link with some photos how shell is broken by a lion.
https://www.greatplainsconservation.com/bushbuzz/?p=1154
RE: Lion Predation - Spalea - 01-27-2019
@Shadow :
About #590:
You told: "Well it doesn´t look like to be too easy, many times lions give up too. But when finding a good spot to bite with full force... maybe some individuals learn the trick and some don´t... "
Of course they find a good spot to bite with full force... So do the tigers. All the animals have the same reflex, the same inclination. And perhaps too, they don't want really to eat a tortoise, so they give up, they don't insist. We cannot know what happens in the animals' mind, can we ?
What annoys me is to see somebody that we recognize as being an "authority" about that matter, John Varty, telling anything just in order to glorify his famous tigers and discredit the lions, because he knows perfectly well that his fakes will be spreaded all over the world. And millions naive persons are goig to believe sincerely these craps.
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 01-27-2019
(01-27-2019, 12:23 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :Not all the way we can´t know what happen in animals mind. But to some point then again I think, that we can. For me it is quite easy to see what my dog is "thinking" often :) Not all the way, but I for sure notice some things and can predict how it behaves in many situations
About #590:
You told: "Well it doesn´t look like to be too easy, many times lions give up too. But when finding a good spot to bite with full force... maybe some individuals learn the trick and some don´t... "
Of course they find a good spot to bite with full force... So do the tigers. All the animals have the same reflex, the same inclination. And perhaps too, they don't want really to eat a tortoise, so they give up, they don't insist. We cannot know what happens in the animals' mind, can we ?
What annoys me is to see somebody that we recognize as being an "authority" about that matter, John Varty, telling anything just in order to glorify his famous tigers and discredit the lions, because he knows perfectly well that his fakes will be spreaded all over the world. And millions naive persons are goig to believe sincerely these craps.
I just looked some videos where lions tried to eat turtoises and it looked like, that trying here , trying there with no clue how to do it. Still some then cracks that shell and do it. Pity that no more videos to see if some individual(s) have learned how to do it without rolling turtle to different positions and trying and trying... :) But from what I saw, I can´t imagine that lions would make leopard tortoise extinct species even though time to time some are eaten :)
And I agree, some authors, especially those who aren´t biologists spread many times inaccurate information and mix their opinions and admiration to reality. I am quite cautious to make too big conclusion when reading books, where there is too much praising for some animal. It is also true, that many people have no source criticism, especially if they like what they read a lot. I have said this before, but I have quite simple point of view what comes to for instance lions and tigers. If one can do something, then I think, that so can another too. They are so similar what comes to physique overall. Some differences, but more in common than there is separating them. In some marginal things there are slight differences, but I see those things quite insignificant. Some individuals can be very impressive, but overall picture for me is what I said. Some people see it in different way, free world (or should be at least) :)
RE: Lion Predation - Sanju - 01-28-2019
LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 01-29-2019
Not the best quality, but quite a jump here and landing doesn´t look like to be too soft...
RE: Lion Predation - Sanju - 01-30-2019
Hungry..
Pic by @chadcocking
RE: Lion Predation - Pckts - 01-30-2019
Incredible Footage!
Find it here https://www.facebook.com/cavaco75/videos/pcb.1246130168875579/2197013893675394/?type=3&theater
if the videos are private below
Cavaco Duarte
Black rock male, Longo is a huge lion...
credits masai_mara_guide
RE: Lion Predation - Shadow - 02-03-2019
Here is one more footage about lion eating tortoise.
RE: Lion Predation - Pckts - 02-07-2019
Buddhilini De Soyza
One of the more gruesome yet special moments from the Mara from our recent trip in December 2018! We came across the Enkuyani pride early one morning with Orbanoti happily digging a water hog hole watched by his brother Lolpapit and a few females and sub adults. At one point there was a big commotion followed by a loud squeal. We thought it was all over for the water hog but all Orbanoti had done was to injure one and in retaliation he got a pretty nasty scratch on his nose as well. After this he was reluctant to dig too vigorously so he took to sitting down next to the hole. After a while the water hog decided to make a run for it and erupted from the hole. To our surprise there was not just one water hog in the hole but three. Two managed to escape but this desperate escape attempt spelt death for the injured one!
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RE: Lion Predation - Sanju - 02-10-2019
Must See! A Male lion dragging a fully grown giraffe! The pure power of a male lion is often surprising!
Lion Power and Strength
@Spalea