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RE: Lions of Manyeleti - T I N O - 10-18-2021 (10-18-2021, 04:02 AM)silly girl Wrote:First of all, Welcome to the forum @(10-17-2021, 11:37 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(10-17-2021, 11:14 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Lions have a good memory regarding this sort of stuff. They are not going to mistake identities like that. Especially not from such a close distance. The right leg of the Red road male looks atrophied in my personal opinion. It's quite concerning, since it could be permanent limp (I hope all the otherwise and it is just a slight limp which long a couple of weeks/months) I hope he recover the mass in his leg soon. Lions are resilient animals. So, the RRM could survived pretty well without the Nharu pride. As long as his back leg don't affect him. A lot of lions survived despite being nomad. For example, Jesse from Maasai Mara. He's quite famous for being a nomad male despite being a big and healthy male. I'm sure he'll thrive. A big and healthy male overall, very wise as well RE: Lions of Manyeleti - T I N O - 10-18-2021 (10-18-2021, 05:07 AM)silly girl Wrote:I understand you, And I also appreciate the all the information provided in this post. So, It's a good point(10-14-2021, 06:21 PM)lionuk Wrote: Latest update from Tintswalo Safari Lodge:I remember Tristan had to make a similar statement when Maribye's had his puff adder bite. In my personal opinion, I agree with don't interfere in the Wildlife, If you help a lion, you're prejudicing to a other lion. For example, mostly of the Maasai Mara prides have a same dominant male or coalition for years and years, even a decades. So, Some of the Maasai mara prides, if not the majority of them, have inbreeding. A ,,poor" gene pool. And not good for the reserve by the same way. For example, the Tintswalo males are mating with their mothers/aunties and even sisters. The Mbiri pride will be a pride who will carry inbreeding in a future if the Tintswalo males they don't move and took-over another pride as the Nharu pride, for example. RE: Lions of Manyeleti - T I N O - 10-18-2021 (10-18-2021, 05:37 AM)1999gc8 Wrote: Wasn't there a post that mentioned that the RRM was seen with the pride eating a kill not long after incident with the Tintswalo boys? I'm not sure what is accurate or not now with the recent video indicating RRM has been rejected from the pride. As far I'm aware. I haven't heard about it. In fact, I shared this update by first hand on 26th September 2021: 15 members of the Nharu pride were seen feeding of a baby elephant. No sings of the RRM yet Two of the Tintswalo males ,,Ncila and Lambile" called close to Koppies area far from RRM area and where we found Mande RE: Lions of Manyeleti - Tonpa - 10-18-2021 They said this on the 5th of October *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Lions of Manyeleti - Thierry - 10-18-2021 (10-18-2021, 05:07 AM)silly girl Wrote:(10-18-2021, 05:07 AM)silly girl Wrote: remember Tristan had to make a similar statement when Maribye's had his puff adder bite. *This image is copyright of its original author "Mike Maika... Black Rock male lion was badly injured by Jessy a few days ago and the wound above the eye is not healing anytime soon, #@ Mobile vet unit, kindly visit him." RE: Lions of Manyeleti - Duco Ndona - 10-18-2021 I have to agree against intervention policies unless the entire population is at threat or suffering as a result of human activities. Lions in Sabi Sands typically are neither. Infact their numbers in the reserve are of such health that birth control is issued to tamper their growth. (As the borders at the reserve prevent the natural dispersal of lions. Not doing so would result in a man made overpopulation). When you help one animal. This always is at the cost of another. Afteral, that animal has to eat and take up a territory to prosper. Especially in the case of male lions which are pretty expendable. They pretty much live in a perpetual state of hunger games its not fair to save their lives. As the natural decline of one male gives another one the chance to take over and father their cubs which naturally prevents inbreeding. An abundance of male lions also would put far more stress on the prides and increase predation on Cheetahs, leopards and other animals. If they keep nursing them back to health after each mishap that they naturally shouldn't survive. At one point, the culling of excess lions will be necessary to restore balance to the reserve. There is also the question of public pressure. The reserves receive quite a degree of harassment from social media to intervene to save their favorite lions. But naturally this decision should not be based on that. Plenty of animals don't have the popularity lions have. It cant be the case that who lives and who dies is determined by which animal got exposure in a positive light by Disney or crappy documentaries. Ultimately, its also a waste of time. The money is far better spend in buying land to increase the size of the reserves or anti poaching measures etc. Which all animals benefit from instead of just a few. Anyway. That was my little rant on the issue. RE: Lions of Manyeleti - BA0701 - 10-18-2021 (10-18-2021, 01:56 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I have to agree against intervention policies unless the entire population is at threat or suffering as a result of human activities. While I have, for unknown reasons, become a bleeding heart on the issue, and personally agree with intervention, I entirely get your points, which are entirely valid. I don't know what the right choice is, I just know how I feel. I would never judge or attempt to disparage someone for believing as you do, because, quite frankly, of their validity, and it very well might be the correct choice, when considering the species above the individual. The only point I would argue is that the Mara lion populations appear to be fairing very well, and they infact practice veterinary intervention. RE: Lions of Manyeleti - RookiePundit - 10-18-2021 (10-18-2021, 05:07 AM)silly girl Wrote:(10-14-2021, 06:21 PM)lionuk Wrote: Latest update from Tintswalo Safari Lodge:I remember Tristan had to make a similar statement when Maribye's had his puff adder bite. Contraception as birth control (while I don't see the reason why they did it in Manyeleti, other than perhaps concerns for inbred genetic pool, I don't recall the details) is bit different animal than artificially prologing a particular animal's longevity and competitiveness. Masai Mara does it wrong, they treat particular males to make them more epic and marketable and unique while putting new generation(s) of nomadic males in disadvantages. For profit. They alos have widespread problem with too many cars flocking too a big 5 sightings to the extent of altering animal behaviour (afaik). Any individual animal can infuence intraspecific dynamics, but also interspecific. If we were to interfere and treat injured or weak antelope species we are influencing abundance of prey. Even dying carnivore is its body worth of nutrient important for the ecosystem. If there is no need to interference due to ivory, horns etc, carcass is a carcass and preferably should not be interefer with. There is a practical point as well - if tranquilize animals for treatment quite regularly, they won't be that habituated and start to avoid rangers' cars damaging the safari industry in the process. Man cause issues and potential disease outbreaks are a different thing, but putting individual animals out of their misery while toughr to witness is not a sound approach becasue you blur lines. We can argue that man affaceting the compositon of the landscape, like dam and waterholes influences the environment making it more suitable for some species and less for others (competition) or artificially changing density of particular species as a side effect, that is ofc true, but as for Sabi Sands etc. landscape was already altered as former farmland so there is no clear right way anyway. And then they are justifiable cases of critically endangered or otherwise (locally) specific species where every individual/group is important and espacially in case of naturally solitary species with already low density, the impact on others is minimal, intraspecific for sure and interspecific void from a missing predator would be filled by another, perhasp more abundant species over time anyway. Give me South African approach any time. Edit: I wanted to say contraception is, besides inbreeding, a population number management not an intervention for the sake of an individual animals, unlike others mentioned above. RE: Lions of Manyeleti - afortich - 10-19-2021 (10-18-2021, 07:41 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(10-18-2021, 01:56 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I have to agree against intervention policies unless the entire population is at threat or suffering as a result of human activities. It is very nice that they practice veterinary intervention. In my personal point of view with very limited knowledge, I agree that before, during and after territorial battles should not be any human intervention due to changes in lions history. However, in any other cases where there is a good probability of survival, maybe it is ok to give them a little help here and there but without changing their history. I might be wrong anyways. Greetings! RE: Lions of Manyeleti - Tonpa - 10-19-2021 Saw this on Instagram, looks like a trench to bury a cam wire? Would be amazing to have a cam in the manyeleti RE: Lions of Manyeleti - lionuk - 10-20-2021 Update on RRM by Tintswalo Safari Lodge: Red Road male, he was recently seen with his Nharu pride on Wildebeest kill and he is doing great. That means the pride has accepted him back now, which is great news. RE: Lions of Manyeleti - T I N O - 10-21-2021 Great update @lionuk RE: Lions of Manyeleti - T I N O - 10-21-2021 A Manyeleti UPDATE! A sighting from yesterday of the Imbali male and the Talamati pride together in Manyeleti Photo credits: Marion Büchler *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author *This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Lions of Manyeleti - afortich - 10-21-2021 (10-20-2021, 04:32 PM)lionuk Wrote: Update on RRM by Tintswalo Safari Lodge: Nice to hear this. Thank you for the updated! RE: Lions of Manyeleti - afortich - 10-21-2021 (10-21-2021, 02:02 AM)Timbavati Wrote: A Manyeleti UPDATE! Nice pics!! |