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RE: The Matimba coalition - BA0701 - 08-12-2020
(08-11-2020, 11:56 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:Wow, it very well looks like it might be the same males, for sure. These males are quite a bit younger than I thought for some reason, becoming more clear why HB was able to run them off on his own, I'm not sure they are ready to tangle with a monster like him, even at his advanced age he is a very powerful lion.(08-11-2020, 11:15 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Hit the nail on the head right there, so many sightings and not a single image of them.
However, as @Tr1x24 deducted in the Lions of Sabi Sands thread , it's possible that it is the 3 Mluwati young males, based on the description of a scar that was seen. As he stated, that is about all we have to go on at this point.
This is the only ss of this males:
You can see scar on eye on the male in the back, its on the same eye as the one of Mluwati young males had, but we need to see more of the to tell if they are them or not..
However, they are clearly feeling their oats, probing to see what they can get away with, and in time, if they can make it and stay together that long, they won't be so easily chased away by a single male of any age.
RE: The Matimba coalition - BA0701 - 08-12-2020
(08-12-2020, 12:41 AM)Potato Wrote: Neither Mluwati male had scar going through right eye. Moreover Mluwati males were more developed already while back when their photo was taken.
One of them was def injured in his left eye, in the photo @Tr1x24 posted in the Lions of Sabi Sands thread, and that would match this image. However, I do agree, their manes appeared more developed in that image, than what we see in this picture. But, as we all know, lots of reasons a lion's mane can deteriorate, but this would appear to be a rapid deterioration if it is the same lions.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Tr1x24 - 08-12-2020
(08-12-2020, 12:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote: One of them was def injured in his left eye, in the photo @Tr1x24 posted in the Lions of Sabi Sands thread, and that would match this image. However, I do agree, their manes appeared more developed in that image, than what we see in this picture. But, as we all know, lots of reasons a lion's mane can deteriorate, but this would appear to be a rapid deterioration if it is the same lions.
Those lions where seen in bad condition, starving out and very skinny 3-4 months ago in Manyeleti, in those conditions mane loss is very possible, as well from stress of nomadic life..
Im not saying that those are Mluwati males, but it is one of the possibilities, until we actually get photos of them..
RE: The Matimba coalition - BA0701 - 08-12-2020
(08-12-2020, 01:13 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-12-2020, 12:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote: One of them was def injured in his left eye, in the photo @Tr1x24 posted in the Lions of Sabi Sands thread, and that would match this image. However, I do agree, their manes appeared more developed in that image, than what we see in this picture. But, as we all know, lots of reasons a lion's mane can deteriorate, but this would appear to be a rapid deterioration if it is the same lions.
Those lions where seen in bad condition, starving out and very skinny 3-4 months ago in Manyeleti, in those conditions mane loss is very possible, as well from stress of nomadic life..
Im not saying that those are Mluwati males, but it is one of the possibilities, until we actually get photos of them..
Agree entirely my friend, that was the point I was making, we've all seen the deterioration, and the stresses and difficulties of the nomadic life, especially when you tangle with a beast like HB, and it's not going to get any easier with other surrounding males in the area. They have their work cut out for right now in just trying to survive, I believe.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Hairy tummy - 08-12-2020
Yes, it could get nasty but every day HB is still around is good day in the lion world . Especially knowing he can still look after himself. He is the last of the old school lions... Keep battling on HB
RE: The Matimba coalition - Alex Morala - 08-12-2020
Ryan confirmed that these are not the Mluwati males.
RE: The Matimba coalition - sik94 - 08-12-2020
Are the young mbiri's a possibility? they left their natal pride very recently.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Tr1x24 - 08-12-2020
(08-12-2020, 03:28 AM)Alex Morala Wrote: Ryan confirmed that these are not the Mluwati males.
Ok, ty for the info.
I assume Ryan is a guide from some reserve, do he have some pictures of those males?
RE: The Matimba coalition - Tr1x24 - 08-12-2020
(08-12-2020, 09:28 AM)sik94 Wrote: Are the young mbiri's a possibility? they left their natal pride very recently.
No those are definetly not Mbiris.
Theres 4 Mbiris, and they are very well known in Manyeleti, rangers said on the video that they asked neigbouring reserves and nobody know those lions.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Potato - 08-12-2020
(08-12-2020, 12:17 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-12-2020, 09:28 AM)sik94 Wrote: Are the young mbiri's a possibility? they left their natal pride very recently.
No those are definetly not Mbiris.
Theres 4 Mbiris, and they are very well known in Manyeleti, rangers said on the video that they asked neigbouring reserves and nobody know those lions.
Moreover Mbiris are familiar with vehicles while those males in Singita are skitish and shy with vehicles around. I am very convince that they came from some region with no updates what so ever and therefore we will never ID them. By the way I feel it is very nice to see around some totaly new faces.
RE: The Matimba coalition - Herekitty - 08-15-2020
(07-10-2020, 10:07 AM)Alex Morala Wrote: Hairy Belly Matimba turned 15 years old in May of this year. Savanna and idube rangers have said it many times in their videos.
Here is savanna ranger Dan confirming the age of Hairy Belly Matimba
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBXiwHugohE/?igshid=vvvm2zik2ur
Hairy Belly and his bros were born in late 2006 to early 2007, the Old Skybeds didn't take over the Birmingham Pride in Ngala reserve until August/September 2006 - we know this because photographer Patrick Truscott documented it on Flickr. Then you factor in 3+months gestation period, and photos of the cubs from Ngala in 07/08, Hairy Belly can be no more than 14 at the end of 2020.
RE: The Matimba coalition - T I N O - 08-15-2020
(08-15-2020, 02:09 AM)Herekitty Wrote:Totally, The confusion of age of the Matimba males was when MalaMala has say an age that it wasn't(07-10-2020, 10:07 AM)Alex Morala Wrote: Hairy Belly Matimba turned 15 years old in May of this year. Savanna and idube rangers have said it many times in their videos.
Here is savanna ranger Dan confirming the age of Hairy Belly Matimba
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBXiwHugohE/?igshid=vvvm2zik2ur
Hairy Belly and his bros were born in early to mid 2007, the Old Skybeds didn't take over the Birmingham Pride in Ngala reserve until August/September 2006 - we know this because photographer Patrick Truscott documented it on Flickr. Then you factor in 3+months gestation period, and photos of the cubs from Ngala in 07/08, Hairy Belly can be no more than 13 and a half.
RE: The Matimba coalition - T I N O - 08-15-2020
Hairy Belly Matimba, November 2007 still on his natal land, Ngala Game Reserve
Credit: Mark Gibson
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RE: The Matimba coalition - T I N O - 08-15-2020
Hairy Belly Matimba 2010
credit: Richard M
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RE: The Matimba coalition - Hairy tummy - 08-15-2020
Where does his age of 15 come from then? Some say 13,some 14..and some 15 ha ha