(10-27-2023, 05:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 1/2 Ndhzenga is hardly "small", he is hella small, like legitimately one of the smallest lions ever seen. I wouldn't say size means nothing, but I'd agree that it usually doesn't mean much and it hardly is a problem for Ndhzengas.

(10-27-2023, 05:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: And I didn't say BDM are weak because of Ndhzengas, I listed a lot of reasons for that, to put it simply, they were blessed with a good area, low competition, tons of opportunities and still couldn't accomplish anything, reason why I said they' re below average in strength.

(10-27-2023, 05:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: As for Ndhzengas being the strongest, that'd definitely surprise me if true. I never thought they were particularly strong due to running from 2 Bboys 2v4 ( as three 5yo males + one prime male ), and after that they never had the opportunity to show off much strength, though recently they have shown a lot, so yeah they are strong, but I still think PCM and Gijimas are the strongest and would put my money on them if they met Ndhzengas in Londolozi.

(10-27-2023, 05:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: And as for females, lions don't usually get females for free, if every lion would wait for females to get back in estrus they'd almost never take any prides.

Even Nhenha and NK who weren't a big deal, having a weak bond, killed off the entire Othawa pride while trying to take over. If BDM were any stronger they'd be hunting down the Nkuhumas until they get accepted.

(10-27-2023, 05:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Mohawk and sons are no threat now, but are still with the pride that it "should" be BDM's as they defeated Mohawk who's now nomadic, still they lack the strength and drive to properly oust Mohawk and take over the pride... Plus give it a few months and suddenly Mohawk + sons won't be "non-factors" anymore.

(10-27-2023, 06:03 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: First ever glimpses of the elder Ximunghwe (presumably) solo cub.   Diff said it’s a boy which isn’t ideal since she really doesn’t have many tries left at leaving girls to carry on the Ximunghwe bloodline with the Pride.  


Credit:   Diff Marimane

(10-27-2023, 06:03 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: First ever glimpses of the elder Ximunghwe (presumably) solo cub.   Diff said it’s a boy which isn’t ideal since she really doesn’t have many tries left at leaving girls to carry on the Ximunghwe bloodline with the Pride.  


Credit:   Diff Marimane

(10-27-2023, 11:48 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 the average male lion is much bigger than females, the smaller Ndhzenga is much smaller than his brother who is is at best as big as the females, but bulkier. Londolozi has said all the females are bigger than him. It's very safe to say he is one of the smallest lions. Even males considered average like Tumbela and Mohawk are easily larger than the females. Ndhzengas were hardly even bigger than the Southern and Styx females according to the photographers.


Being territorial doesn't mean much when they have no pride to speak of. I think we can agree the success of lions are defined by the amount of offspring they raise, yes? Being territorial for a year in an area with low competition and lots of females to try to take over but still not managing to get a single pride is definitely a bummer.


Ndhzengas were chased by Bboys in april 2020. In december 2019 the oldest had a borderline full mane and the second oldest was said by yourself to be around the same age. By april 2020 the two youngest were probably close to 5, and the two oldest over 5.

I mean here the Ndhzengas in October 2019:

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Most males around 5 don't look nearly as much developed.

2 nomadic Gijimas with one barely over 4 ran from 2 prime Ndhzengas while a third injured Ndhzenga was roaring at them after the fight. How does this compare to four 5yo Ndhzengas running from 2 Birminghams?

I'm not contradicting myself, not all cases of dominant males chasing nomads is the same.

Back to BDM, you make lots of assumptions to how the prides could avoid the BDM when the reality is that there are many females close by but they failed to acquire any pride, something almost every single territorial made manages to, and they don't take 1 entire year as territorial to do that.

Nomadic males roam huge areas, always changing territory, Nkuhumas, a big pride, are allowed to roam though BDM territory and live in their original territory just north of them without basically any pressure. The few occasions the BDM interacted with them, they barely gave any trouble. When they chased Talamatis Breakaway too, they showed no interest in putting any pressure, they just got the food and chilled.

Gijimas had a proper pride, the subs started mating with them very quickly, not the same scenario as BDM, and the Styx lost half their subs in their nomadic life.