(09-13-2023, 11:51 PM)239Pu Wrote:

Quote:Nkuhuma male with couple of scars on his back, nice seeing this fella still kicking

(09-14-2023, 12:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 I heard 4 males and 1 female.

Regardless do you know how many are from the Selati daughters and how many from the Matimba daughter?

(09-13-2023, 07:41 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(09-13-2023, 07:00 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(09-13-2023, 03:52 AM)KM600 Wrote: Short term thinking it allows more genes to spread in SS and better the lion dynamics to a certain point, but where do this breakaway pride get their territory from, assuming they only start a pride with Chela and the Avoca daughters. Unless they plan on ousting either S8 and the Talamati breakaways or Mohawks, his sons and core Nkuhuma Pride, the only other adjacent territory is controlled by the Talamati Pride who are currently South. Unless the Talamatis stay South and give up their territory, the new Nkuhuma breakaways with the BDMs would essentially be pushing out a whole pride in order to control their own territory.

Here we go again. Surely Chela (and the Avoca daughters, if they stay with her) would be the core pride, and the Birmingham daughters the breakaways.

This is how it happens. The BDMs are here, and here to stay. They have now fathered cubs with Chela. A split is almost inevitable, as we can't know when the BBoy daughters will come back into oestrus. Mohawk and his sons have been ousted. And they need to move off anyway, the sons are too closely related to all the females in the area. The BBoy daughters already ventured to the Western Sector since the arrival of the BDMs, they'll find somewhere else. If they do split permanently that is. And the Talamatis in the north are only one lioness and five sub adults. There's plenty of room in Djuma, Buffelshoek, Nkorho, Elephant Plains, Arathusa, northern Londolozi and Mala Mala for three small prides.

Think you’re definition of ‘ousted’ is different to mine, Mohawk since the BDMs arrival isn’t a territorial male anymore that’s established but he’s still a pride male, it’s not like he’s been forced to completely leave the area he use to rule. The BDMs have occasionally chased him out his territory such as when Mohawk and his sons had to find refuge in S8 territory and they also went into Manyeleti which may have been down to them either being kicked out yet again or maybe they just followed the buffalo. The whole reason BDMs aren’t as successful as people had guessed they would be from the start is cos they can’t form a proper takeover, chasing Mohawk and his sons occasionally as well as S8 and the Talamatis does nothing for them apart from establish power we already know they possess, they need to focus on either the Nkuhuma Pride or the Talamati breakaways until their pride male is properly ousted to the point of no return. 

In response to Mohawks son’s needing to move off as they’re too closely related to the females, I disagree, I’m not one to say I agree with incest in lions but you’d be lying if u think they didn’t seem like a formidable coalition in the making. Cubs produced under their reign would be more likely to survive and that in itself improves the lion dynamics, ofcourse this point is pretty useless until they start showing they’re ready to be a dominant coalition but the BDMs are giving them the time they need.

(09-14-2023, 12:49 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-14-2023, 12:37 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 I heard 4 males and 1 female.

Regardless do you know how many are from the Selati daughters and how many from the Matimba daughter?

Im pretty sure its 3M and 2F.


Idk.

(09-14-2023, 05:05 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Another example that Londolozi considers Skorro Breakaway male to be territorial at Londolozi , by Kyle Gordon in Kambulas roaring post:

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(09-14-2023, 08:37 PM)Tonpa Wrote:

(09-14-2023, 10:07 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: So I have a question about lion cubs and I’ve seen it many times but can’t tell if it’s true… are male cubs usually darker and female lighter colored

(09-14-2023, 10:07 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: So I have a question about lion cubs and I’ve seen it many times but can’t tell if it’s true… are male cubs usually darker and female lighter colored

(09-14-2023, 10:27 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(09-14-2023, 10:07 PM)Tylermartin! Wrote: So I have a question about lion cubs and I’ve seen it many times but can’t tell if it’s true… are male cubs usually darker and female lighter colored

Not sure if it’s scientifically proven but I’ve heard the same thing and occasionally noticed it aswell, although it tends to be when they’ve grown quite a bit, I’ve never noticed it from cubs that have just been born.