Quote:The thing with Manghenis was beyond incredible but at least there's the explanation that Manghenis didn't know how many enemies they had, when they realized they were only 2 subs they chased them back. But BDM knows from roars that their S8 neighbor is alone. But again it looks like the report is false.

(08-21-2023, 12:23 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Late to the convo, but the chasing each other came from a comment made by Deon Wessels, the head guide at Chitwa

(08-21-2023, 05:55 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tonpa Interesting, from the WE videos it doesn't seem S8 got to do any chasing, maybe it was just a casual comment not meant to be completely literal/accurate or did S8 really manage to do some chasing? It'd be nice to know for sure.

@Tr1x24 NK has visited the North before with Nhenha IIRC, in fact there was speculation that S8 was the one to have injured his eye. Regardless, lions are built to explore and look for territory, NK isn't looking for territory, he's not trying to find a place he can claim, he's trying to form a coalition and hangout with females if given the opportunity.

Takeovers 1v1 don't happen a lot because lone males are quite rare compared to males in coalitions. S8 ousted the limping DM but also chased the healthy Mohawk who was younger than him. S8 wanted the territory and would have challenged DM regardless of his condition.

RR, S8 and Kruger male have territories already, they have no reason to risk ousting each other and are in no position to expand. NK is a nomad, but he lacks the drive to challenge because he is not a bold lion.


As for your examples, Mo managed to go from being part of a coalition of 6 to be a loner while challenging a coalition of 6 before having the confidence to stand their ground, if anything he is a worse version of NK.

I'm not very familiar with Mapoza, but all others have proven themselves in territorial clashes, if not taking over themselves, avoiding taker over attempts, to give the most recent example, what did the RR do when Mandevu claimed his territory? He kicked his ass.

You can add the last Nharhu male to the mix, he lost his brothers, became dominant again despite having only 3 functional limbs and gave a serious beating on another prime male ( IIRC Mapoza himself ), why? Because Nharhu males were very strong and wouldn't accept being nomads if they are still in their primes.

The point is, any prime male has the potential to be dominant and NK sure has many opportunities close to him. He may not win, perhaps the lion he chooses to challenge is stronger than him, it happens, but he should try, he should challenge if he hopes to be dominant, but he is not bold enough to go for a proper challenge.

As for BDM. Look, I know you don't like the fact sometimes 2v1 happens and the loner escapes just fine ( despite it being documented multiple times, even in videos ), Amahle got caught, this is like a historical fact mentioned by rangers and filmed with Amahle carrying injuries to his hindlimbs and roaring with the 2 BDM roaring very close to him after the fight ( all filmed ans photographed at the same time ). They were initially chased by lone Mohawk and at least once by S8, and now there's a guide who said that S8 also gave chase in their latest clash so let's wait for verification.

To keep adding to the list of lone males, these 2 BDM's father went head to head against the BDM, he got chased off initially but eventually got the upper hand and ousted the BDM. In comparison his sons were given a golden hand but can't manage to do much and I won't be surprised if Mohawk himself ousts them in the next few months, with the help of his sons. It seems the other younger males have turned 4 already and they were roaring recently. The BDM failed at taking over the pride and ousting Mohawk and his sons, and may pay for it in the near future.

Ndhzengas, PCM and Gijimas had prides, BDM don't. K6 belongs to Ndhzengas and always mates with everybody cos she's infertile, Chela belongs to the pride that still accepts Mohawk and it's unknown if she'll breakaway to be the first female under BDM. Maybe she will, but we'll have to wait and see.

But to finish my thoughts, I always gave mad respect to NK's fighting abilities and have defended him multiple times, as well as have said he's the most experienced fighter in the SS. But the truth is that he lacks the confidence to put his strength to good use.

(08-21-2023, 06:44 AM)Friarfan619 Wrote: Maybe not ousted but had him running a couple times on video