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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - WildRev - 07-30-2023

I believe he was killed by the nwas but we'll never know for sure


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-30-2023

Tuesday, 25 July 2023
  • Avoca North, male Lion trailing a breeding herd of approximately seventy Cape Buffalo on the Southern side of Elephant Plains Airstrip.
Wednesday, 26 July 2023
  • Avoca North, male Lion mobile East across MMM into Djuma.
Friday, 28 July 2023
  • Pack of seven African Wild Dogs killed an Impala, The kill was then stolen by Spotted Hyenas and then they were chased of by the Northern Avoca Male Lion on old EP drive way.
Saturday, 29 July 2023
  • Two Black Dam male Lions moving East at Mfezi open.
Sunday, 30 July 2023
  • Four Nkuhuma Male lions on Buffelshoek Gowrie cutline West on Insinga access.

https://www.elephantplains.co.za/big-5-blog/2023/07/weekly-big-five-sightings-24-30-july-2023/


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - BA0701 - 07-31-2023

(07-30-2023, 09:17 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Male next to Ubuso is Light Maned Gijima, not 3rd.

3rd male was very skittish, there is 0 photos of him in Sabi Sands.

My opinion is that he got spooked by Ndhzengas, run away and never come back to search for his partners.

They might not be partners for long, so bond might not be there for 3rd to be attached to other 2.

I dont think he was killed by Ndhzengas.

Then I stand corrected, I thought he was the lone male standing with WN, contact calling for the other two.


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Gavskrr - 07-31-2023

I don't know if it was in the same post but what I saw about the 3rd male being with Kambulas came from Facebook where it states that Gijimas comes from the pretoriuskup pride. But so far no real proof of this has emerged.


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - criollo2mil - 07-31-2023

(07-31-2023, 01:08 AM)Gavskrr Wrote: I don't know if it was in the same post but what I saw about the 3rd male being with Kambulas came from Facebook where it states that Gijimas comes from the pretoriuskup pride. But so far no real proof of this has emerged.

I’ve read this narrative too and it’s made me a bit confused too.   Cause the sightings they share to back up the theory is not even conclusive.  No real way to  ID the lions in the pics they share.


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tylermartin! - 08-01-2023

Ok so I’ve got a question about bigger lion coalitions so doesn’t it stay the same when the biggest isn’t the leader or is the leader is the oldest male at the begging or loner always disappears or the smallest male is the most aggressive like I’m sure mr t, scrapper and Mohawk avoca where very aggressive males amongst their brothers just asking because it seems like a similar situation almost everytime


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - sik94 - 08-01-2023

(08-01-2023, 07:24 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote: Ok so I’ve got a question about bigger lion coalitions so doesn’t it stay the same when the biggest isn’t the leader or is the leader is the oldest male at the begging or loner always disappears or the smallest male is the most aggressive like I’m sure mr t, scrapper and Mohawk avoca where very aggressive males amongst their brothers just asking because it seems like a similar situation almost everytime

I don't think that's a given, DM Majingalane was probably the smallest but he was the clear leader and the most dominant, same goes for Nsuku of the Birminghams, or even the Mbiri males with Shaka the more dominant one. I think it's usually the male with the darkest mane who tends to be dominant, not necessarily the biggest, though usually the male with the darkest mane is also the biggest as they usually have better genetics among their coalition mates. The smaller males are usually more aggressive because they always get pushed around by others and some of them make up for the lack of size by being extra aggressive, not all of them though so even that changes from individual to individual.


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tylermartin! - 08-01-2023

(08-01-2023, 07:47 AM)sik94 Wrote:
(08-01-2023, 07:24 AM)Tylermartin! Wrote: Ok so I’ve got a question about bigger lion coalitions so doesn’t it stay the same when the biggest isn’t the leader or is the leader is the oldest male at the begging or loner always disappears or the smallest male is the most aggressive like I’m sure mr t, scrapper and Mohawk avoca where very aggressive males amongst their brothers just asking because it seems like a similar situation almost everytime

I don't think that's a given, DM Majingalane was probably the smallest but he was the clear leader and the most dominant, same goes for Nsuku of the Birminghams, or even the Mbiri males with Shaka the more dominant one. I think it's usually the male with the darkest mane who tends to be dominant, not necessarily the biggest, though usually the male with the darkest mane is also the biggest as they usually have better genetics among their coalition mates. The smaller males are usually more aggressive because they always get pushed around by others and some of them make up for the lack of size by being extra aggressive, not all of them though so even that changes from individual to individual.

Gotcha! Thanks! And yeah the darker manes are usually the leaders Mak Darkmane Makunga Bigger Southern Avoca and others


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - criollo2mil - 08-01-2023

Yesterday, the two Othowas were seen feasting on a giraffe kill and I figured they needed to eat as much as possible cause it would attract other predators.   Today, my hunch was confirmed.  

The PCMs and Ximunghwe pride laid claim to the kill.   Hopefully both Othowas fled safely and full tummies


Credit:  Diff Marimane


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Friarfan619 - 08-01-2023

Why would they continue to hang here?? Shouldn't they be looking for more females???


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 08-01-2023

@sik94 Hipscar was the smallest.

There's a vid of him with GM in 2011 where GM looked much taller.

Rob also answers a guest asking him if DM was the biggest and he says "bigger than HS but not the biggest of the 4".

I think it goes SN > GM > DM > HS.

As for Shaka I'm not sure he is the most dominant, there're only 2 reports of them competing, in the first one Shaka was the most dominant, mating and fighting off ZZ. But there's also another report years later of Shaka fighting ZZ, losing and getting chased off. They might be equal with dominance switching depending on the day.


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mapokser - 08-01-2023

@Friarfan619 you mean Othawas?

This is their natal territory, the only place they know, the place where they are confident they can hunt, hide and find water, a huge part of their success surviving alone at such a young age is due to the fact they stayed in the territory they know instead of going nomadic.

As for "looking for new females", they are way too young to join adult lionesses, any males mating or controlling adult lionesses would kill them and it's not like they can magically find other sub females of their age who also happens to be orphans, but more importantly, as long as they have at least one sister ( each other ) they feel satisfied and not lonely, so they feel no need to make new friends.


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mwk85 - 08-02-2023

Ximhungwes 




RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - afortich - 08-02-2023

King S8/Imbali calling his family







RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 08-03-2023

Nkhulus (not recent i think as Delaporte is with them)