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RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - peter - 11-11-2020
PLAY
Wild animals, and teenagers in particular, often are quite nosy. They like to meet their neighbours and also enjoy games. The tiger in the video, a youngster, was just saying hello and invited the bear to a game. The bear agreed and enjoyed it as well. In captive tigers and bears, I saw it as well. In most cases, bears initiated the game. They knew how to annoy their neighbour and ran every time he responded.
Tigers, like bears, enjoy games. When I was young, the Amsterdam zoo they had a pair of Sumatran tigers. The male tiger often played with the cubs. I visited the zoo every week or so. Just before they closed and most visitors had left, I approached the cage of the tigers unseen. My aim was to surprise them. Every time I succeeded, the male tiger responded by roaring and rolling over. He liked the game very much. After some time, he knew what to expect and tried to turn the tables. When I approached the cage after my stalk, he came out roaring from his hide. After the game, he approached the bars for a chat. Even when I visited the zoo with friends in the afternoon, he came over to say hello.
Many encounters between wild animals are misunderstood. People often think a tiger stalking a sloth bear has murder on his mind. Nine times out of ten, this is not the case. The tiger could be training his skills or, more likely, use the opportunity to scare or meet his neighbour. If the bear is an adult and the tiger a youngster, chances are it will teach the tiger a few things about manners.
In northern India and Nepal, relations between tigers and bears seem to be different. I never read anything about young tigers and bears playing and a meeting between an adult tigress and an adult female Himalayan bear not seldom results in animosity. In most cases, the tigress is chased. Adult male Himalayan bears, larger than sloth bears, and adult male tigers seem to be competitors. If anything, they seem to avoid each other. The fight described by Jim Corbett was the exception to the general rule. In Vietnam, those who hunted tigers wrote some large male Himalayan black bears significantly outsized an average male Indochinese tiger.
Male tigers in particular occasionally hunt sloth bears, but I only heard about one young male Himalayan black bear killed by a male tiger northern India about a decade ago. In the Russian Far East, things are quite different. Male Amur tigers in particular often hunt Himalayan black bears (including adult males) and some of them also hunt adult female brown bears and immature male brown bears up to 4-5 years of age. There's no love between Amur tigers and brown bears. Same in zoos.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 11-11-2020
(11-11-2020, 04:56 PM)peter Wrote: PLAY
Wild animals, and teenagers in particular, often are quite nosy. They like to meet their neighbours and also enjoy games. The tiger in the video, a youngster, was just saying hello and invited the bear to a game. The bear agreed and enjoyed it as well. In captive tigers and bears, I saw it as well. In most cases, bears initiated the game. They knew how to annoy their neighbour and ran every time he responded.
Tigers, like bears, enjoy games. When I was young, the Amsterdam zoo they had a pair of Sumatran tigers. The male tiger often played with the cubs. I visited the zoo every week or so. Just before they closed and most visitors had left, I approached the cage of the tigers unseen. My aim was to surprise them. Every time I succeeded, the male tiger responded by roaring and rolling over. He liked the game very much. After some time, he knew what to expect and tried to turn the tables. When I approached the cage after my stalk, he came out roaring from his hide. After the game, he approached the bars for a chat. Even when I visited the zoo with friends in the afternoon, he came over to say hello.
Many encounters between wild animals are misunderstood. People often think a tiger stalking a sloth bear has murder on his mind. Nine times out of ten, this is not the case. The tiger could be training his skills or, more likely, use the opportunity to scare or meet his neighbour. If the bear is an adult and the tiger a youngster, chances are it will teach the tiger a few things about manners.
In northern India and Nepal, relations between tigers and bears seem to be different. I never read anything about young tigers and bears playing and a meeting between an adult tigress and an adult female Himalayan bear not seldom results in animosity. In most cases, the tigress is chased. Adult male Himalayan bears, larger than sloth bears, and adult male tigers seem to be competitors. If anything, they seem to avoid each other. The fight described by Jim Corbett was the exception to the general rule. In Vietnam, those who hunted tigers wrote some large male Himalayan black bears significantly outsized an average male Indochinese tiger.
Male tigers in particular occasionally hunt sloth bears, but I only heard about one young male Himalayan black bear killed by a male tiger northern India about a decade ago. In the Russian Far East, things are quite different. Male Amur tigers in particular often hunt Himalayan black bears (including adult males) and some of them also hunt adult female brown bears and immature male brown bears up to 4-5 years of age. There's no love between Amur tigers and brown bears. Same in zoos.
That´s one reason why I like this incident with sloth bear in the tree. The bear doesn´t seem to notice that tiger at all, which is so typical for sloth bears (no wonder Baloo the bear is considered often as sloth bear). Tiger then again is looking to be curious and result is quite amusing, difficult to say which one was more confused in the end. I have to say, that in some way sloth bear is my favorite animal, not because it would be biggest or strongest or most beautiful, the thing for me is that nonchalant way to wander around with no worries about it what happens around and then suddenly being surprised by tigers, gaurs and who knows what. It´s such a funny exception when looking at other animals which are constantly cautious and aware (which aren´t apex predators or so big herbivores that nothing to worry about like rhinos and elephants).
Leopards, dholes, deer and so many other animals can be seen observing environment almost all the time and ready to flee if needed. Then there is sloth bear, doing whatever he is doing not paying even slightest attention what happens around it. Until something really close finally gets his attention enough and it boggles, I don´t use the word scared even though for sure it happens too, but often impression is more like it would be kind of offended that someone or -thing dares to disturb it.
Funny thing is, that almost in all videos with tigers they charge or hold ground, but in that one hilarious video with gaur that sloth bear didn´t hesitate a moment, it ran for his life :) Naturally fleeing from tiger isn´t a good idea because it could lead to attack from the tiger, while with gaur running away is without a doubt the best option no matter what is the situation, at least it´s not interested to eat you.
All in all, in many existing videos young tigers manage to surprise sloth bears. I´m not sure if there are too many videos in which an adult tiger facing sloth bear, it´s quite different situation when tiger is there really hunting. Adult tiger won´t sneak until almost touching, there is speed and determination when an experienced tiger attacks and in such case average sloth bears are no match even though some can survive if really lucky and able to demoralize the tiger in time, while fighting back. I think, that it´s rare. After all only some really exceptionally big male sloth bears can weight almost the same as tiger. Most are half the size and even smaller.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Dark Jaguar - 11-13-2020
Julien Boule
''Probably the most intense wildlife sighting of my life when I witnessed a young tigress harassing a male sloth bear back in 2013 in Central India. The bear was totally mad at some point and decided to charge the inexperienced tigress who was caught by surprise! ''
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RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pckts - 11-14-2020
Naveen Kumar
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RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Rage2277 - 11-14-2020
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 11-14-2020
@Rage2277 :
About #100: Is the first male we see on this video (and the second to be agressed by the crocs) already wounded ?
But I admire the other lion's reactivity !
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Dark Jaguar - 11-14-2020
(11-14-2020, 01:12 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :
About #100: Is the first male we see on this video (and the second to be agressed by the crocs) already wounded ?
But I admire the other lion's reactivity !
@Spalea
yeah he is, looks like he was gored by a buffalo's horn.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 11-14-2020
(11-14-2020, 01:33 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:12 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :
About #100: Is the first male we see on this video (and the second to be agressed by the crocs) already wounded ?
But I admire the other lion's reactivity !
@Spalea
yeah he is, looks like he was gored by a buffalo's horn.
Yes, exactly... But he seems to be good shapes too.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Dark Jaguar - 11-14-2020
(11-14-2020, 01:37 PM)Spalea Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:33 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:12 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :
About #100: Is the first male we see on this video (and the second to be agressed by the crocs) already wounded ?
But I admire the other lion's reactivity !
@Spalea
yeah he is, looks like he was gored by a buffalo's horn.
Yes, exactly... But he seems to be good shapes too.
Indeed. my guess would be that injure he suffered wasn't that recent.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 11-14-2020
(11-14-2020, 01:39 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:Yes, agree because his reactivity and motricity are normal. But I will be always surprised to see how wild beasts having recovered from serious injuries are able to keep such ugly sores like that. It's like a piece of flesh hanging from an ancient wound but from how many times ? Would it be so during the whole life which remains to him ?(11-14-2020, 01:37 PM)Spalea Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:33 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:12 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :
About #100: Is the first male we see on this video (and the second to be agressed by the crocs) already wounded ?
But I admire the other lion's reactivity !
@Spalea
yeah he is, looks like he was gored by a buffalo's horn.
Yes, exactly... But he seems to be good shapes too.
Indeed. my guess would be that injure he suffered wasn't that recent.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Dark Jaguar - 11-14-2020
(11-14-2020, 01:58 PM)Spalea Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:39 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:Yes, agree because his reactivity and motricity are normal. But I will be always surprised to see how wild beasts having recovered from serious injuries are able to keep such ugly sores like that. It's like a piece of flesh hanging from an ancient wound but from how many times ? Would it be so during the whole life which remains to him ?(11-14-2020, 01:37 PM)Spalea Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:33 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:12 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :
About #100: Is the first male we see on this video (and the second to be agressed by the crocs) already wounded ?
But I admire the other lion's reactivity !
@Spalea
yeah he is, looks like he was gored by a buffalo's horn.
Yes, exactly... But he seems to be good shapes too.
Indeed. my guess would be that injure he suffered wasn't that recent.
It is impressive how they got that quick ''healing abilities'' and keep going like its not a big deal
Mazino Charleston male with his canine hanging loose was impressive too as many would say it was due to a giraffe kick.
I think that wound could remain his whole life, it may have happened probably 1-2 years back, but he is still doing fine but that spot is a vulnerable area during a vicious battle specially for clawings.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Spalea - 11-14-2020
(11-14-2020, 02:23 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:Yes ! I will never forget Mazino Charleston ! And this lion in the Mara which lost a testicle. Lions (and the other big cats...) are incredible tough guys...(11-14-2020, 01:58 PM)Spalea Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:39 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:Yes, agree because his reactivity and motricity are normal. But I will be always surprised to see how wild beasts having recovered from serious injuries are able to keep such ugly sores like that. It's like a piece of flesh hanging from an ancient wound but from how many times ? Would it be so during the whole life which remains to him ?(11-14-2020, 01:37 PM)Spalea Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:33 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:(11-14-2020, 01:12 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :
About #100: Is the first male we see on this video (and the second to be agressed by the crocs) already wounded ?
But I admire the other lion's reactivity !
@Spalea
yeah he is, looks like he was gored by a buffalo's horn.
Yes, exactly... But he seems to be good shapes too.
Indeed. my guess would be that injure he suffered wasn't that recent.
It is impressive how they got that quick ''healing abilities'' and keep going like its not a big deal
Mazino Charleston male with his canine hanging loose was impressive too as many would say it was due to a giraffe kick.
I think that wound could remain his whole life, it may have happened probably 1-2 years back, but he is still doing fine but that spot is a vulnerable area during a vicious battle specially for clawings.
And yes too, even after recovering, such sores will be immediately spotted in a case of conflict with an opponent, an other male lion. A vulnerability spot.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Ashutosh - 11-14-2020
Tigress stealing leopard kill @Panna National Park.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Rage2277 - 11-15-2020
(11-14-2020, 01:12 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :
About #100: Is the first male we see on this video (and the second to be agressed by the crocs) already wounded ?
But I admire the other lion's reactivity !
looks like some sort of abscess yea a nice reaction time from the other young male
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Rage2277 - 11-17-2020
latestkruger -
Leopard loses her newborn cub to a hyena!
Recently, on a safari at Arathusa Safari Lodge, in Sabi Sands, with our host @ahmed_laher_photography, we tracked down Xidulu, a female leopard, that strolling in the bush away from her previous den which was in danger by Tingana, a male leopard, (not the father to her cubs.) She was strolling leisurely, even passing by our safari vehicle. A hyena caught smell of her and came in to investigate. As Xidulu came closer to a tree, unbeknown to anyone, she had created a new den for her cubs and shifted them here, probably in an effort to save them from being taken by Tingana!
As she approached the tree, the hyena quickly closed in and startled her, forcing her to flee up into the tree. The hyena made a beeline for the base of the tree. The cubs, thinking it was mom, came out of the den. The hyena poked her head into the den and grabbed one of the cubs and took off.
Videos were by @hawa_shi& @aqeela Photos by