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RE: N'waswitshaka males - Tonpa - 12-12-2021
Ndzhenga males on Nottens this morning by Guide Keenan
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Tonpa - 12-12-2021
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Potato - 12-12-2021
(12-12-2021, 06:18 PM)Tonpa Wrote:
Nice to see Ndzenga males secured entire arena on which Kambula pride is operating. It is great sign for a stability for a pride and prospects for successfully raising next generation within that pride.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Duco Ndona - 12-12-2021
We will see.
The Nwashakas cant take a shit and people proclaim it the start of the take over of the entire African continent. but usually they just move back home after a while with nothing happening.
Though with the Birmingham Boys nearing the end of their reign anything can happen.
I dont know if it would be of much benefit to the Kambulas though. There are plenty of male coalitions in that area looking for new prides so it would take a constant presence to keep the pride from being taken over again.
I am not sure if the Nwashakas are willing to split up or abandon the Styx for that.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Potato - 12-12-2021
(12-12-2021, 08:03 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: The Nwashakas cant take a shit and people proclaim it the start of the take over of the entire African continent. but usually they just move back home after a while with nothing happening.Nwas already took control over entire arena on which Kambula pride is operating from which there is just one step from taking over that pride. It can be tricky if lionesses already has cubs with other males which is the case for 3 Kambula lionesses as they will avoid newcomming males tho taking over rest of the pride will be streight foreward.
(12-12-2021, 08:03 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Though with the Birmingham Boys nearing the end of their reign anything can happen.It already happened. I have no idea what else sign of dominance over arena Nwas should yet make so you would believe they are dominant males of that part of the reserve.
(12-12-2021, 08:03 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I dont know if it would be of much benefit to the Kambulas though.
4 males in prime in charge is almost a guarantee stablity for long enough to successfullu raise another generation.
(12-12-2021, 08:03 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: There are plenty of male coalitions in that area looking for new prides so it would take a constant presence to keep the pride from being taken over againLike which coalitions exactly? Especially if we take into count only those who has enough numbers themselfs to compete with coalition of 4. I do not see that "lenty of male coalitions in that area" at all.
(12-12-2021, 08:03 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I am not sure if the Nwashakas are willing to split up or abandon the Styx for that.It is normal for a coalition such large to controll between 2 to 4 prides. I do not get how did you figured that out that Nwas would have to abandon Styx pride in order to takeover Kambula pride. They are even already proving my point so far patroling both Mala Mala and Sabi Sabi.
Literrally you can hardly find coalitions such large to control only one pride. 2 prides at the same time is rather a minimum for such coalition, definitelly not maksimum. Look at the big coalitions from the past like Mapogos, Matimbas, Avoca/Giraffe, Birminghams, MAjings or Salatis. Was controlling two prides at the same time too much for them? Not at all. You can even without a problem find coalitions of 2 without a problem handling two prides at once.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Duco Ndona - 12-13-2021
Like I said, each time the Nwashakas set foot in a territory, everyone proclaims them the new rulers. Yet nearly always nothing happened. People said they would take over the Mhangeni when they killed some of the Mhangeni cubs. Yet nothing happened. People said they would take over Londolozi. Yet not long later they moved back.
Why would this time be different? For all we know, tommorow they are back in their old territory and wont move out for months.
Dominance over an area does not equal a pride take over.. The PC males are dominant over Singita. Yet not the Mhangeni pride living there.
Its the same for the Talimati.
Until we find the BBoys death or running for their lives and the Nwashakas hanging out with the core pride and not just some stray females. I would not concider the Talimati taken over.
And yes. The Nwashakas do have rivals. Both the Avocas, Plain Camp males can in theory move in and attack their pride while they are back with the Styx pride. Having four members in your coalition is pointless if you are not around to fight back .
Ultimately, its always better for a pride to not have to share the males with another prides. They would not be the first pride to be abandoned by their males once they find greener grass elsewhere.
In that aspect, the BBoys or PC males are a far better pick than the Nwashakas for them.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - WildRev - 12-13-2021
So I guess Londolozi and Malamala's guides/rangers are wrong about the signs of a take over despite working in that field since a long time and knowing more than we do and it's not like there's a 19min video of Sean Zeederberg precisely describing the behavior of male lions trying to take over, it baffles me that someone who have seen that video says "no they were just roaming around like before"
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Duco Ndona - 12-13-2021
They also predicted the Avocas taking over. Which also never happened.
Shall we just wait and see what happens? Instead of proclaiming lions victorious and the new rulers of a pride just for stepping foot in their territory.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Tonpa - 12-13-2021
Go wide-nose
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Duco Ndona - 12-14-2021
The core pride was just a few meters away with the Bboys nowhere to be seen. Things can go really fast now if the pride and BBoys are not carefull.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - WildRev - 12-14-2021
@Duco Ndona Who said they rule the Kambula pride just for stepping a foot in their territory ? We're just saying they're trying to take over the pride and expand their territory which is the thruth according to their behaviour on the footages we have and what rangers are saying, there's literally no problem with it.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Duco Ndona - 12-14-2021
I never said that they cant take over the pride. Just that we shouldn't jump the gun on announcing that a take over has already happened. Most of the time nothing comes from it. Like all those months we debated the Avoca's taking over. Or Londolozi predicted Othawa male to take over. Just for stepping foot in BBoy territory.
Todays developments however are a far clearer sign that a takeover is underway. The Avocas never gotten this far. The Birmingham Boys seem to be either death or on the run. Leaving the pride exposed. The only step left would be for the Nwashakas to get the entire Kambula pride to accept their new states as pride males. Only then they have completed the take over.
That they have split up for this is also a good sign. This allows them to focus entirely on the task without having to head home to check on the Styx pride. Which would allow rival males to swoop in or the pride to go into hiding.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Matimbalani - 12-14-2021
(12-14-2021, 04:07 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I never said that they cant take over the pride. Just that we shouldn't jump the gun on announcing that a take over has already happened. Most of the time nothing comes from it. Like all those months we debated the Avoca's taking over. Or Londolozi predicted Othawa male to take over. Just for stepping foot in BBoy territory.
Todays developments however are a far clearer sign that a takeover is underway. The Avocas never gotten this far. The Birmingham Boys seem to be either death or on the run. Leaving the pride exposed. The only step left would be for the Nwashakas to get the entire Kambula pride to accept their new states as pride males. Only then they have completed the take over.
That they have split up for this is also a good sign. This allows them to focus entirely on the task without having to head home to check on the Styx pride. Which would allow rival males to swoop in or the pride to go into hiding.
To be fair to Londolozi, Othawa male did try and paid for it dearly.
Anyway, the situation is still developing. I just hope the cubs and sub-adults can avoid a blood bath. The BBoys would have been overwhelmed sooner or later with all these younger coalitions running around.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Potato - 12-15-2021
Mala Mala November:
THE NDZHENGA MALES = 4
2 ADULT MALES ± 6 YEARS 10 MONTHS
2 ADULT MALES ± 6 YEARS 4 MONTHS
November 2021 will forever mark the month the four Nhdzenga males advanced north into the heart of MalaMala, earning themselves a spot in our Game report. From scarcely being seen on MalaMala, the four malesincreased the pressure on the Gowrie males and their challengers (Northern Avoca and Plains Camp males). 13 sightings of the Ndhzenga males were recorded around the area of MalaMala camp in November. On the afternoon of the 8th , these four males announced their arrival into northern MalaMala in style. The four males crossed into MalaMala from the west and roared their way to the Sand River in front of MalaMala Camp. Their roars echoed around MalaMala camp all night as they laid down the challenge. The following day three of the males were around Piccadilly Pans and Campbell Koppies, with two of the males sporting injuries. It was unclear who inflicted the injuries as the Gowrie male was in eastern Flockfield on a buffalo kill, and the two Northern Avoca males were found the following day without a scratch. We suspect the males fought amongst themselves as they pursued a lioness from the Kambula pride. On the 10th , two males were still around Piccadilly Pans licking their wounds. Overnight these males moved south along the Sand River and were at the Ngoboswan Donga the following day. On the 12th and 13th , two of the males were on the elephant carcass south of Rattray's Camp, while a third was at Styx Crossing on the 12th . A male was alone near the airstrip on the 15th and at Maurice's Pan the following day. Overnight he linked up with one of his brothers. The two of them were found south of the airstrip. A male was seen in the more familiar territory of the coalition near Beaumonts Camp on the 18th while one of his brothers was at Piccadilly Pans. On the 19th , a male was with a Kambula lioness was Old Wildebeest Crossing.
RE: N'waswitshaka males - Potato - 12-15-2021
We found one of the N’waswishaka male lions and one of the Kambula lionesses mating, but after they noticed some vultures flying and descending in the distance, they followed them in a haste. The vultures were surrounding a kudu carcass and quickly chased them off and started to feed.
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