(05-28-2022, 05:20 PM)Tonpa Wrote: May 2021 for comparison

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(05-28-2022, 05:14 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(05-28-2022, 04:30 PM)Slayerd Wrote: The Bboys in my opinion held more land from 2019-2021. The Bboys still held majority of Mala Mala and Londolozi. Lions would occasionally be seen in their territory but the Bboys would push back into those areas. Nhenha was seen patrolling till beyond Bush Camp Sabi Sabi in Aug 2020 and the Bboys pushed even further when chasing the Nwaswitshaka Males earlier that year. The Bboys were even seen in areas beyond what we would consider their territory on occasions such as in Kirkmans Kamp in 2019, Singita on multiple occasions, far east of Mala Mala on multiple occasions, Cheetah Plains 2020 and they would push boundaries when chasing lions. Like Nhenha in northern Londolozi chasing the two Avocas, Singita when he chased the two Nwalungu males, southern Sabi Sabi when chasing the Nwaswitshaka, southern Sabi Sabi when Nhenha chased the Plains Camp males and their sisters, Northern Mala Mala when they chased the Nkuhuma and Avocas(seen at Mlowathi Dam), Eastern border when chasing the Fourways pride and Kruger Males. This is their territory between 2019-2021 IMO. And the yellow circles is the areas they would push on occasion.

Sightings you described, where they where seen, was mostly when they chased out intruders. 

Lions when chasing intruders chase them far out of their territory and borders. Bboys where never considered territorial males at those places you mark with yellow, especially not in the Sabi Sabi (which was empty land before Ndhzengas establish themselves) or Southern MalaMala near Kirkmans Kamp (which is S. Avocas territory) or Singita (which was Othawa male territory). 

Lions also roam occasionaly outside of their territory, i mean even Ndhzengas where seen at Singita in late 2020 if i remember correctly , they where also seen at S1 in Kruger in mid 2021, that doesnt mean they where territorial there. 

Also, Bboys territory in 2018-2020 was bigger then in 2021.

Your map might work for 2018-2020, but not for 2021, as N'ws completley establish themselves south, Bboys where not seen deep at Sabi Sabi after Ndhzengas become territorial (which happened mid to late 2020) , N. Avocas also pushed all the way to MalaMala Main Camp and northern Londolozi to Sand River, and Othawa male took western Londolozi.

So in 2021,Bboys territory looked approx. like this :

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Much smaller then in previous years, but yea, from 2018-2020, they had similar territory to what Ndhzengas have now, except that they had boundaries further north, while Ndhzengas have further south.

(05-28-2022, 07:00 PM)Slayerd Wrote: I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying 2019-2021.

(05-28-2022, 07:13 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(05-28-2022, 07:00 PM)Slayerd Wrote: I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying 2019-2021.

So to the beginning of 2021, yes, as i said 2018-2020 years.

They might be seen far south in 2018-Nsuku death, but they where not considered territorial theres, as portions of that land was pretty much empty with few small prides and nomads there and other, eastern part was territory od S. Avocas.

Bboy where never considered territorial males at Sabi Sabi, Lion Sands or Kirkmans Kamp. They where seen there here and there, but as i said, lions roam out of their territory regulary, in searching for new opportunities, chasing other males/prides or during hunts, as its also case with those yellow spots.

Lets not rewrite history, you are saying like in 2018-2019 Bboys territory was all mid and southern Sabi Sands, which is false.

Bboys where never territorial south of this line, if even so:

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(05-28-2022, 07:13 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(05-28-2022, 07:00 PM)Slayerd Wrote: I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm saying 2019-2021.

So to the beginning of 2021, yes, as i said 2018-2020 years.

They might be seen far south in 2018-Nsuku death, but they where not considered territorial theres, as portions of that land was pretty much empty with few small prides and nomads there and other, eastern part was territory od S. Avocas.

Bboy where never considered territorial males at Sabi Sabi, Lion Sands or Kirkmans Kamp. They where seen there here and there, but as i said, lions roam out of their territory regulary, in searching for new opportunities, chasing other males/prides or during hunts, as its also case with those yellow spots.

Lets not rewrite history, you are saying like in 2018-2019 Bboys territory was all mid and southern Sabi Sands, which is false.

Bboys where never territorial south of this line, if even so:

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(05-29-2022, 02:32 AM)DARK MANE Wrote: PS: I really hope just by comparing the hip area and lion condition ( of this video and previous) it will be pretty clear to everyone that they are nwaswitshaka not avocas.

(05-28-2022, 10:33 PM)Slayerd Wrote: Sabi Sabi and Southern Mala Mala was under their control.

(05-29-2022, 04:02 AM)WildRev Wrote: That's mohawk for sure, change your sources

(05-29-2022, 04:27 AM)DARK MANE Wrote:

(05-29-2022, 04:02 AM)WildRev Wrote: That's mohawk for sure, change your sources

Well,  Mohawk and wildwild nose ( uboso) are new coalition partners then because the second lion running into the bushes in last is 1000% not blonde. 
Blonde has broken/ displaced foreleg and in 100s of videos on quiet eagle and painted wolf I have seen that. and i can identify it blindly.

(05-29-2022, 04:27 AM)DARK MANE Wrote: Blonde has broken/ displaced foreleg and in 100s of videos on quiet eagle and painted wolf I have seen that. and i can identify it blindly.