(04-18-2022, 06:56 AM)I agree. Although, Limper is a total liability for the Othawa pride. I think twice he has jumped off a tree and hurt himself badly.  If the PC males find him alone they will for sure take him out.  He cannot even run to save himself.  Lot of instability all of a sudden that does not bode well for the cubs.  The PC males definitely look impressive. I\m actually surprised the Manghenis thwarted and rejected them. Interesting times in the Western sector for sure!   RookiePundit Wrote: That could turn out brutal. Whatever happens, it is crucial Sassy stays safe, otherwise succesful takevover could easily mean end of Othawa pride. Althothough there is still Gingerella, but she seem to be bonding with Ximhungwe more and more and even if Othawas would welome her back after losing current cubs, she might not find out having no incentive to go back there towards currently hostile natal pride. And Ximhungwe will keep her distance anyway.

This might also take a while, it is still 2 vs 2 (afaik) and 3 females defending cubs on top of that and this would be first time Plain Camps would be doing something like that. The thing, they are likely done with their 2 Nkuhuma breakaways and looking for more is not good for current western sector residents though if they indeed turned their attention that way. Othawa cubs are still too far from making it. I already can envision some people on the internet salivating on the prospect of Mapogo-Mantimahle mix of genes if they sire a litter with the old fertile Othawa female (a litter that could very likely had to be brought up to adulthood by Sassy, which would make it even more compelling story in the eyes of some).

However, if this will go beyond border pressure, with so many nomadic males around, Nhenha and Nkuhuma fairly close, this might take unexpected turns, either as far as Othawas are concerned or what could happen with surviving dethroned Tumbelas. Perhaps even Dark Mane might get an unexpectd body.

It would interesting how much PCs would neglect Nkuhuma Breakaways, those females might lay low to avoid unwelcome encounter with some of the sub.adults wandering around or worse, adult males realizing Plain Camps are not there.

I feel bad for Tumbelas they are certainly underdogs in this. However I disagree, Plain Camps would provide stability (assuming they would complete the takeover rather unscathed, not sustaining a crippling injury or losing numbers), they might be seen as bit of bullies (due to Tsalala death), but I don't see why they would be a danger forf lions that no longer oppose them. It is just what would be left to take over. The remnants of Othawa pride would have stability but would have to be the clock for the pride to have any future (and they might possibly split to avoid PCs as long as there are any cubs left). Ximhungwe-Othawa Breakaway duo might actually have more potential (3 Othawa females are still bigger prize I guess, males don't know about the infertility and won't calculate with age of the lionesses like we do).

Start of 2021 was rather peaceful in comparison, wasn't it? Now it is chaos everywhere.

(04-18-2022, 06:56 AM)RookiePundit Wrote: It would interesting how much PCs would neglect Nkuhuma Breakaways, those females might lay low to avoid unwelcome encounter with some of the sub.adults wandering around or worse, adult males realizing Plain Camps are not there.

(04-18-2022, 02:24 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: So far we have only seen one skirmish. It may have just been a border conflict or some other coincidental meeting between the two groups. And we shouldn't underestimate the Tumbellas either. If Limper is in shape it would still be 2 versus 2 and ultimately not the the odds the PCmales are looking for. Even if he isnt, they may still choose to go after the Mhangeni pride afteral. Which has no territorial males at all and has already shown to be open to mating with them.

(04-18-2022, 02:48 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Sabi sands has really changed after long periods of stability, stability i just thought was normal since i took a interest in learning about lions, how wrong was i! I always got a sense these pc males were menacing and aggressive, they certainly are looking to be that. Very interesting times ahead

(04-18-2022, 02:39 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-18-2022, 02:24 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: So far we have only seen one skirmish. It may have just been a border conflict or some other coincidental meeting between the two groups. And we shouldn't underestimate the Tumbellas either. If Limper is in shape it would still be 2 versus 2 and ultimately not the the odds the PCmales are looking for. Even if he isnt, they may still choose to go after the Mhangeni pride afteral. Which has no territorial males at all and has already shown to be open to mating with them.

They are deep in Tumbelas territory said by rangers, roaring and chasing dominant male, thats not a border conflict. 

Limper is not healthy, its far more likely he will just flee then try to fight, injured and unhealthy lions lack confidence and will avoid any serious fights, because he knows he is too weak to fight and will prob get killed. 

Limper's condition was prob the reason PC males decided on this move, lack of his presence on roars, patrol and scent markings was prob noticable. 

There was reported roar battle few nights ago, if Limper didnt participate, that was a go signal for PC males.

Hope we get new update today.

(04-18-2022, 02:48 PM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Sabi sands has really changed after long periods of stability, stability i just thought was normal since i took a interest in learning about lions, how wrong was i! I always got a sense these pc males were menacing and aggressive, they certainly are looking to be that. Very interesting times ahead

(04-18-2022, 07:22 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Does anyone have any credible sources that can confirm that a Talamati Sub Female was found dead?   

Im looking for credible corroboration not trying to spread rumors.    

Did I miss this being reported earlier?   I just came about the information last night that a lioness was found dead in Singita, then some mentioned that the Talamatis had one female down?

(04-18-2022, 07:22 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Does anyone have any credible sources that can confirm that a Talamati Sub Female was found dead?   

Im looking for credible corroboration not trying to spread rumors.    

Did I miss this being reported earlier?   I just came about the information last night that a lioness was found dead in Singita, then some mentioned that the Talamatis had one female down?

(04-18-2022, 07:34 PM)Tonpa Wrote: The story goes that one of the regular WildEarth viewers visited Arathusa I think in July 2021. There they were told by Roy Mkansi that two of the Talamati sub females were killed in Buffelshoek sometime around March-April 2021 but he didn't elaborate further. Upon counting it seemed the Talamatis were indeed down 1 sub-adult female. No clue what caused her death.