(11-04-2022, 01:06 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: He has been showing mixed signs of being territorial for a while now. In fact, this video was kind of expected to pop up sooner or later. 

But yeah. He is making a huge gamble. I think he is hoping that the PC males are content with what they have and accept his existence as a neighbour for the time being.

(11-10-2022, 08:41 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(11-04-2022, 01:06 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: He has been showing mixed signs of being territorial for a while now. In fact, this video was kind of expected to pop up sooner or later. 

But yeah. He is making a huge gamble. I think he is hoping that the PC males are content with what they have and accept his existence as a neighbour for the time being.

Nhenha and NK where seen with Ximhungwe/Gingerella this morning, and PC males also in the area.

He is showing those mixed signs of being territorial when he is sure that Nhenha/NK and PC males are not in town and its his turn for Ximunghwes, as soon as these 2 return, he is out.

(11-16-2022, 11:11 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: I've been thinking about this a lot over the last few weeks and I think the Tumbelas are just as much to 'blame' for the downfall of the Othawa Pride. If they had never arrived in the West, then Gingerella and the other subs would have stayed. Then by the time the PC Males arrived, Hairy Belly would probably have passed on, the male subs would have been evicted from the pride at a much more capable age, and Sassy, Aunty, Junior's mother and then Gingerella would have mated with either the PC Males or Nhena and the Nkuhuma Male.

I wasn't a fan of the Tumbela males when they first arrived, I was apprehensive about the Othawas mating with such a sickly and weak coalition. However, they grew on me. But now I wish Skorro would just leave before he does any more damage. I hope his daughters make it though.

(11-16-2022, 11:50 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(11-16-2022, 11:11 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: I've been thinking about this a lot over the last few weeks and I think the Tumbelas are just as much to 'blame' for the downfall of the Othawa Pride. If they had never arrived in the West, then Gingerella and the other subs would have stayed. Then by the time the PC Males arrived, Hairy Belly would probably have passed on, the male subs would have been evicted from the pride at a much more capable age, and Sassy, Aunty, Junior's mother and then Gingerella would have mated with either the PC Males or Nhena and the Nkuhuma Male.

I wasn't a fan of the Tumbela males when they first arrived, I was apprehensive about the Othawas mating with such a sickly and weak coalition. However, they grew on me. But now I wish Skorro would just leave before he does any more damage. I hope his daughters make it though.

"If if".. 

You cant look things like that. 

Lion takeovers are normal thing, every coalition eventualy gets beat and overthrown, in which most of the time, prides they control, suffer, especially if they have cubs/subs who are still not independent. 

Tumbelas where doing what males do, its not their fault that Othawa pride was weak in numbers and couldnt grow their numbers for whole decade.. 

They are also not to blame that Gingerella was only female out of 4 subs of that 2018 Othawa generation, arent they? Or that Matimbas where too old and couldnt secure time for Gingerella to stay with pride? 

Thats how it is, and we need to accept it. 

If you look like that, then we can actually go back and also blame Majingilanes and Selatis, Majingilanes killed all Selatis offspring when they takeover (there where 8 cubs/subs at 1 point sired by Selatis), if they didn't beat Selatis, Othawas would be much bigger pride today. 

You see the pattern? You can then blame every coalitions which was involved in Othawas history, and not only Tumbelas.