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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 03-12-2022

I think mud/animal dung maybe? It looks more smeared out later on in the video 


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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 03-12-2022

(03-12-2022, 11:48 PM)Tonpa Wrote: I think mud/animal dung maybe? It looks more smeared out later on in the video 

Hmm, not sure, we'll see if he has it on next sighting.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 03-12-2022

Male lions may voluntary abandon their current pride if they feel there is a chance they can get a better life elsewhere, or when he no longer can tell potential mate from potential daughter. 

He knows his time with the Talimati is coming to an end. Both by being pressured by other coalitions and just the passage of time. 
So he is now seeking for a new home while he is still in good health and have a place to rest should things go sour. 

He knows that he can probably return to his brothers if he is very submissive. He may get lucky and get some scraps and perhaps some very rare mating opportunities. But he is used to being the first in line. Not the third in line. So he probably is first going to check if there are some opportunities for a lone male elsewhere before stepping down like that. 

He will probably join up again with the Talamati or his brothers again once nomadic life becomes to hard for him on his own. 
Though he is a easy target for rivals should he run into them and there is a chance that both his brothers and his pride will no longer accept him if he comes back too weak. So it is a very huge gamble.


As for those spots. Perhaps they are wounds which later got licked clean? It doesn't look too bad so I don't think he has been in a serious fight. Perhaps just scratches from nasty fall during a hunt or something?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 03-13-2022

That sounds like an awful lot of advanced cognition for a lion

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 03-13-2022

Talamunchies in Singita still



RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 03-13-2022

(03-13-2022, 01:29 AM)Tonpa Wrote: That sounds like an awful lot of advanced cognition for a lion

They are lessions that get rammed into them from a very young age and its not like these are very young cubs thrown in the first days of nomadhood. 
Those are very experienced lions that know what life is like both as a nomad, as part of a large coalition and as a lone ruler of a pride. Nor are the Avocas strangers to eachother.
DM already knows what life in their coalition is going to be like from the occasional interactions they still have.

All things considered, its a simple decision between 3 options. Am I more afraid of facing a takeover, submitting to my brothers, or going nomadic for a while until I find a new pride?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - SpinoRex - 03-13-2022

A tank of the Kruger National Park - The big Ex-Hamilton’s pride male marking his territory on the S125 last weekend!

This impressive solo male lion used to be the pride male of the Hamilton’s pride till end of 2020 when the two N‘waswitsontso males displaced him. Regardless of whether or not he was forced to spend some time as a nomadic male afterwards it certainly did not harm his physical condition. Each time he was seen, he looked healthy and bulky. This hasn’t changed. Just take a look at that belly, the stocky forelegs and the dark mane!

The fact, that he’s been regularly seen around the S125 for almost a year now, confidently scentmarking indicates that he has become a dominant male again. Reports of a couple of females with small cubs in the very same area not far away support that assumption, although male and females have yet to be sighted together.

This big boy is in his prime and although a partner would certainly add some important benefits, he has successfully proven that he’s able to fend for himself.


January 2022
Kruger National Park
Photo credits: Big On Wild - Wildlife Blog & Photography

*This image is copyright of its original author

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - criollo2mil - 03-13-2022

(03-13-2022, 04:50 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: A tank of the Kruger National Park - The big Ex-Hamilton’s pride male marking his territory on the S125 last weekend!

This impressive solo male lion used to be the pride male of the Hamilton’s pride till end of 2020 when the two N‘waswitsontso males displaced him. Regardless of whether or not he was forced to spend some time as a nomadic male afterwards it certainly did not harm his physical condition. Each time he was seen, he looked healthy and bulky. This hasn’t changed. Just take a look at that belly, the stocky forelegs and the dark mane!

The fact, that he’s been regularly seen around the S125 for almost a year now, confidently scentmarking indicates that he has become a dominant male again. Reports of a couple of females with small cubs in the very same area not far away support that assumption, although male and females have yet to be sighted together.

This big boy is in his prime and although a partner would certainly add some important benefits, he has successfully proven that he’s able to fend for himself.


January 2022
Kruger National Park
Photo credits: Big On Wild - Wildlife Blog & Photography

*This image is copyright of its original author

Maybe this post is best moved onto the Kruger Thread?  Seems out of place in Sabi Sands

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - SpinoRex - 03-13-2022

(03-13-2022, 05:44 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(03-13-2022, 04:50 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: A tank of the Kruger National Park - The big Ex-Hamilton’s pride male marking his territory on the S125 last weekend!

This impressive solo male lion used to be the pride male of the Hamilton’s pride till end of 2020 when the two N‘waswitsontso males displaced him. Regardless of whether or not he was forced to spend some time as a nomadic male afterwards it certainly did not harm his physical condition. Each time he was seen, he looked healthy and bulky. This hasn’t changed. Just take a look at that belly, the stocky forelegs and the dark mane!

The fact, that he’s been regularly seen around the S125 for almost a year now, confidently scentmarking indicates that he has become a dominant male again. Reports of a couple of females with small cubs in the very same area not far away support that assumption, although male and females have yet to be sighted together.

This big boy is in his prime and although a partner would certainly add some important benefits, he has successfully proven that he’s able to fend for himself.


January 2022
Kruger National Park
Photo credits: Big On Wild - Wildlife Blog & Photography

*This image is copyright of its original author

Maybe this post is best moved onto the Kruger Thread?  Seems out of place in Sabi Sands

Isnt Sabi Sands and Kruger the same basically? Kruger was back then Sabi Sands Game Reserve.... means the state owns the huge area now

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Wyld@Heart - 03-13-2022

(03-13-2022, 05:59 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Isnt Sabi Sands and Kruger the same basically? Kruger was back then Sabi Sands Game Reserve.... means the state owns the huge area now
For the wildlife and the ecosystem it is the same. There are no fences and the wildlife is free to come and go as they please. For humans, no. The Sabi Sands is a conglomerate of individual, and private landowners that have a use agreement that forms the Sabi Sands in which you have individual privately owned land that forms part of the whole. These landowners for the most part have exclusive lodges with traverse agreements with some of the neighbouring properties (but not all the neighbors all of the time. What's a neighborhood without a dispute here and there, eh?). This arrangement is now common with the Timbavati and Klaserie and others bordering the Kruger. As a whole, this is now the Greater Kruger, including the Manyaleti, as we know it with the Kruger National Park proper being the National Park, the Manyaleti being the Provincial Reserve and the others being privately owned and operated as described above.

The land described as the original Sabi Game Reserve by Paul Kruger and the Sabi Sands Game Reserve is not the same. The original Sabi Game Reserve was basically the southern Kruger as this encompassed the area between the Crocodile and Sabi Rivers. This was then merged with the Shingwedzi Game Reserve in 1926 to form the Kruger. Over the years additional land was donated by farm owners such as Eileen Orpen and land added by displacement of the indigenous population (as was the formation of the Sabi Game Reserve) to make up the Kruger as we know it today.

The Sabi Sands was much longer in the making with the original Varteys starting their ownership in the 20's or 30's, if I recall and gradually the area was changed from ranching and hunting to an official wildlife reserve in the 60's. Even then it took another 30 years for the fences between the Kruger and Sabi Sands (and the others) to come down to create the continuous ecosystem we see today.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - SpinoRex - 03-14-2022

(03-13-2022, 12:35 PM)Wyld@Heart Wrote:
(03-13-2022, 05:59 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Isnt Sabi Sands and Kruger the same basically? Kruger was back then Sabi Sands Game Reserve.... means the state owns the huge area now
For the wildlife and the ecosystem it is the same. There are no fences and the wildlife is free to come and go as they please. For humans, no. The Sabi Sands is a conglomerate of individual, and private landowners that have a use agreement that forms the Sabi Sands in which you have individual privately owned land that forms part of the whole. These landowners for the most part have exclusive lodges with traverse agreements with some of the neighbouring properties (but not all the neighbors all of the time. What's a neighborhood without a dispute here and there, eh?). This arrangement is now common with the Timbavati and Klaserie and others bordering the Kruger. As a whole, this is now the Greater Kruger, including the Manyaleti, as we know it with the Kruger National Park proper being the National Park, the Manyaleti being the Provincial Reserve and the others being privately owned and operated as described above.

The land described as the original Sabi Game Reserve by Paul Kruger and the Sabi Sands Game Reserve is not the same. The original Sabi Game Reserve was basically the southern Kruger as this encompassed the area between the Crocodile and Sabi Rivers. This was then merged with the Shingwedzi Game Reserve in 1926 to form the Kruger. Over the years additional land was donated by farm owners such as Eileen Orpen and land added by displacement of the indigenous population (as was the formation of the Sabi Game Reserve) to make up the Kruger as we know it today.

The Sabi Sands was much longer in the making with the original Varteys starting their ownership in the 20's or 30's, if I recall and gradually the area was changed from ranching and hunting to an official wildlife reserve in the 60's. Even then it took another 30 years for the fences between the Kruger and Sabi Sands (and the others) to come down to create the continuous ecosystem we see today.

So is it a problem to post some infos on kruger lions here?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Hairy tummy - 03-14-2022

(03-14-2022, 12:23 AM)SpinoRex Wrote:
(03-13-2022, 12:35 PM)Wyld@Heart Wrote:
(03-13-2022, 05:59 AM)SpinoRex Wrote: Isnt Sabi Sands and Kruger the same basically? Kruger was back then Sabi Sands Game Reserve.... means the state owns the huge area now
For the wildlife and the ecosystem it is the same. There are no fences and the wildlife is free to come and go as they please. For humans, no. The Sabi Sands is a conglomerate of individual, and private landowners that have a use agreement that forms the Sabi Sands in which you have individual privately owned land that forms part of the whole. These landowners for the most part have exclusive lodges with traverse agreements with some of the neighbouring properties (but not all the neighbors all of the time. What's a neighborhood without a dispute here and there, eh?). This arrangement is now common with the Timbavati and Klaserie and others bordering the Kruger. As a whole, this is now the Greater Kruger, including the Manyaleti, as we know it with the Kruger National Park proper being the National Park, the Manyaleti being the Provincial Reserve and the others being privately owned and operated as described above.

The land described as the original Sabi Game Reserve by Paul Kruger and the Sabi Sands Game Reserve is not the same. The original Sabi Game Reserve was basically the southern Kruger as this encompassed the area between the Crocodile and Sabi Rivers. This was then merged with the Shingwedzi Game Reserve in 1926 to form the Kruger. Over the years additional land was donated by farm owners such as Eileen Orpen and land added by displacement of the indigenous population (as was the formation of the Sabi Game Reserve) to make up the Kruger as we know it today.

The Sabi Sands was much longer in the making with the original Varteys starting their ownership in the 20's or 30's, if I recall and gradually the area was changed from ranching and hunting to an official wildlife reserve in the 60's. Even then it took another 30 years for the fences between the Kruger and Sabi Sands (and the others) to come down to create the continuous ecosystem we see today.

So is it a problem to post some infos on kruger lions here?
There is a thread for lion coalitions of kruger

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 03-14-2022

Seems Dark Mane has left the sabi sands now. He was seen in Lion Sands Tinga and Narina 



RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 03-14-2022

That's pretty much as far from his old territory he can get without leaving sabi sands and the heart of the territory of the biggest hostile coalition around.
A dangerous move.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Mdz123 - 03-14-2022

(03-14-2022, 01:10 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Seems Dark Mane has left the sabi sands now. He was seen in Lion Sands Tinga and Narina 


Where is that area?

Just it is south of SS, that is very, very, very far from DM’s territory. Im wondering why did he even go there