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RE: Avoca male lions - Tonpa - 05-12-2021
Mohawk chasing the plains camp boys
photo by Africa Journey nature experience
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RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 04:28 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Mohawk chasing the plains camp boys
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This is the problem i have with Mohawk and Blondie and their potential clash with Bboys, i think Blondie because of his leg cant follow Mohawk in these kind of high chase situations, and that might hurt Mohawk, as he might found himself alone all of a sudden against 2 males.. I think that prob something similar happened to healthy Monwana male..
I hope Plains Camps got chased to Singita, thats great neutral area for nomadic males, especially now when theres no OM there..
Plains Camps have a quite hard time, getting chased left and right..
RE: Avoca male lions - BA0701 - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 04:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(05-12-2021, 04:28 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Mohawk chasing the plains camp boys
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This is the problem i have with Mohawk and Blondie and their potential clash with Bboys, i think Blondie because of his leg cant follow Mohawk in these kind of high chase situations, and that might hurt Mohawk, as he might found himself alone all of a sudden against 2 males.. I think that prob something similar happened to healthy Monwana male..
I hope Plains Camps got chased to Singita, thats great neutral area for nomadic males, especially now when theres no OM there..
Plains Camps have a quite hard time, getting chased left and right..
Exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post. Might well be the reason Mohawk was alone when he chased Nhehna. Either Mohawk is by himself, or if they have the flee Blondie is stuck alone with them. Either way I think that leg could really hurt them.
RE: Avoca male lions - Gijima - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 07:08 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(05-12-2021, 04:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(05-12-2021, 04:28 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Mohawk chasing the plains camp boys
*This image is copyright of its original author
This is the problem i have with Mohawk and Blondie and their potential clash with Bboys, i think Blondie because of his leg cant follow Mohawk in these kind of high chase situations, and that might hurt Mohawk, as he might found himself alone all of a sudden against 2 males.. I think that prob something similar happened to healthy Monwana male..
I hope Plains Camps got chased to Singita, thats great neutral area for nomadic males, especially now when theres no OM there..
Plains Camps have a quite hard time, getting chased left and right..
Exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post. Might well be the reason Mohawk was alone when he chased Nhehna. Either Mohawk is by himself, or if they have the flee Blondie is stuck alone with them. Either way I think that leg could really hurt them.
We are speculating based on one picture when reports say they were both there.
I don’t think predicting which lion will get mauled to death next, less than 72 hours since we learned about Othawa Males fate, is necessary now.
Of course you guys can talk about whatever you want, but it makes me think how different this convo would be if it was in fact Mohawk. Thankful OM was a beautiful, beloved lion and a “son of the Majingilane/Mapogos” so people showed a little bit of respect in there comments.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 07:38 PM)Gijima Wrote: We are speculating based on one picture when reports say they were both there.
I didn't said they where not, but clearly Blondie is not near him, otherwise they would prob take photo of them together, as i doubt Blondie can follow him with that leg..
(05-12-2021, 07:38 PM)Gijima Wrote: I don’t think predicting which lion will get mauled to death next, less than 72 hours since we learned about Othawa Males fate, is necessary now.
Who is predicting that?
(05-12-2021, 07:38 PM)Gijima Wrote: Of course you guys can talk about whatever you want, but it makes me think how different this convo would be if it was in fact Mohawk. Thankful OM was a beautiful, beloved lion and a “son of the Majingilane/Mapogos” so people showed a little bit of respect in there comments.
What?
I just give my opinion, that Blondie's leg might be a problem for Avocas "if" they clash with Bboys. Thats all..
It has nothing to do with OM..
RE: Avoca male lions - lionuk - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 04:28 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Mohawk chasing the plains camp boysHe's salivating, which is a sign of stress.
photo by Africa Journey nature experience
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RE: Avoca male lions - S.N.M.T.N - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 04:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(05-12-2021, 04:28 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Mohawk chasing the plains camp boys
*This image is copyright of its original author
This is the problem i have with Mohawk and Blondie and their potential clash with Bboys, i think Blondie because of his leg cant follow Mohawk in these kind of high chase situations, and that might hurt Mohawk, as he might found himself alone all of a sudden against 2 males.. I think that prob something similar happened to healthy Monwana male..
I hope Plains Camps got chased to Singita, thats great neutral area for nomadic males, especially now when theres no OM there..
Plains Camps have a quite hard time, getting chased left and right..
I agree with Tr1x24, Mohawk is doing risky movements chasing two males on his own. Considering that his brother has a limp on his back leg, and can't follow him, He could be easily caught in 2v1, And killed in the same way, As the Othawa male or Kinky tail of the Mapogo was
RE: Avoca male lions - BA0701 - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 07:38 PM)Gijima Wrote:(05-12-2021, 07:08 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(05-12-2021, 04:47 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(05-12-2021, 04:28 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Mohawk chasing the plains camp boys
*This image is copyright of its original author
This is the problem i have with Mohawk and Blondie and their potential clash with Bboys, i think Blondie because of his leg cant follow Mohawk in these kind of high chase situations, and that might hurt Mohawk, as he might found himself alone all of a sudden against 2 males.. I think that prob something similar happened to healthy Monwana male..
I hope Plains Camps got chased to Singita, thats great neutral area for nomadic males, especially now when theres no OM there..
Plains Camps have a quite hard time, getting chased left and right..
Exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post. Might well be the reason Mohawk was alone when he chased Nhehna. Either Mohawk is by himself, or if they have the flee Blondie is stuck alone with them. Either way I think that leg could really hurt them.
We are speculating based on one picture when reports say they were both there.
I don’t think predicting which lion will get mauled to death next, less than 72 hours since we learned about Othawa Males fate, is necessary now.
Of course you guys can talk about whatever you want, but it makes me think how different this convo would be if it was in fact Mohawk. Thankful OM was a beautiful, beloved lion and a “son of the Majingilane/Mapogos” so people showed a little bit of respect in there comments.
I am in no way predicting the next death, I am hoping that they stop these incursions, and stay with their pride. But what I hope for, and what becomes reality are often two very different things, when observing these creatures. I don't want the B-Boys or the Avocas to suffer any losses, quite the opposite. But, as you mentioned, such is the way of lion society, which after all is what we're all here to discuss.
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 05-12-2021
You guyss much overestimate Blondie's limp. It is just a slight limp, it is not like he can not chase. Also by looking at Mala Mala reports, Birmingham males are rarely together so as long as Avocas press their take over so far, that is by slow push and staying together then I do not see chances of Mohawk being singled out by Birminghams as high. Unless Mohawk goess to the center of Birminghams territory on his own, not hiding his presence at all as Othawa male did he should be okay.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 08:55 PM)Potato Wrote: You guyss much overestimate Blondie's limp. It is just a slight limp, it is not like he can not chase. Also by looking at Mala Mala reports, Birmingham males are rarely together so as long as Avocas press their take over so far, that is by slow push and staying together then I do not see chances of Mohawk being singled out by Birminghams as high. Unless Mohawk goess to the center of Birminghams territory on his own, not hiding his presence at all as Othawa male did he should be okay.
Well Mohawk did that already, not as deep as OM, but he did challenge Nhenha without Blondie, so he definitely has confidence to go without Blondie, which is not good idea as we seen what happened to OM..
It is slightly limp, but even if its only slight limp he cant run as fast as healthy male, so he will definitely fall behind in these scenarios, in these clashes every second is key, males who got first hold or single out 1 male usually win the clash with even numbers..
But as you said, his limp might not matter if they play it smart..
This is just a speculation, we dont know what could happen anyways, in fact, Avocas and Bboys might not even clash..
RE: Avoca male lions - Gijima - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 09:03 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(05-12-2021, 08:55 PM)Potato Wrote: You guyss much overestimate Blondie's limp. It is just a slight limp, it is not like he can not chase. Also by looking at Mala Mala reports, Birmingham males are rarely together so as long as Avocas press their take over so far, that is by slow push and staying together then I do not see chances of Mohawk being singled out by Birminghams as high. Unless Mohawk goess to the center of Birminghams territory on his own, not hiding his presence at all as Othawa male did he should be okay.
Well Mohawk did that already, not as deep as OM, but he did challenge Nhenha without Blondie, so he definitely has confidence to go without Blondie, which is not good idea as we seen what happened to OM..
It is slightly limp, but even if its only slight limp he cant run as fast as healthy male, so he will definitely fall behind in these scenarios..
But as you said, his limp might not matter if they play it smart..
This is just a speculation, we dont know what could happen anyways, in fact, Avocas and Bboys might not even clash..
Mohawk was in a territory that he and Blondie scoped out for weeks. You do know the two were first spotted near main camp back in Feb? They spend over one year taking over the territory in Londolozi and Mala Mala.... that’s the size of a territory that OM tried to take over in under two months.
They aren’t just driven by lust for females and power either. Mohawk refused the Kambula lioness based on reports.... how many males would have refused a female?
I know that even when males are careful things can go wrong. And although it’s my personal preference that they with the Nkuhumas, if they keep going down this path I think they’re doing it about as intelligently as two males can. If Mohawk runs head first into Rattrays Camp tomorrow I’ll be the first one to come here and say he’s being stupid, but he just hasn’t done that yet.
RE: Avoca male lions - BA0701 - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 09:16 PM)Gijima Wrote:(05-12-2021, 09:03 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(05-12-2021, 08:55 PM)Potato Wrote: You guyss much overestimate Blondie's limp. It is just a slight limp, it is not like he can not chase. Also by looking at Mala Mala reports, Birmingham males are rarely together so as long as Avocas press their take over so far, that is by slow push and staying together then I do not see chances of Mohawk being singled out by Birminghams as high. Unless Mohawk goess to the center of Birminghams territory on his own, not hiding his presence at all as Othawa male did he should be okay.
Well Mohawk did that already, not as deep as OM, but he did challenge Nhenha without Blondie, so he definitely has confidence to go without Blondie, which is not good idea as we seen what happened to OM..
It is slightly limp, but even if its only slight limp he cant run as fast as healthy male, so he will definitely fall behind in these scenarios..
But as you said, his limp might not matter if they play it smart..
This is just a speculation, we dont know what could happen anyways, in fact, Avocas and Bboys might not even clash..
Mohawk was in a territory that he and Blondie scoped out for weeks. You do know the two were first spotted near main camp back in Feb? They spend over one year taking over the territory in Londolozi and Mala Mala.... that’s the size of a territory that OM tried to take over in under two months.
They aren’t just driven by lust for females and power either. Mohawk refused the Kambula lioness based on reports.... how many males would have refused a female?
I know that even when males are careful things can go wrong. And although it’s my personal preference that they with the Nkuhumas, if they keep going down this path I think they’re doing it about as intelligently as two males can. If Mohawk runs head first into Rattrays Camp tomorrow I’ll be the first one to come here and say he’s being stupid, but he just hasn’t done that yet.
I will admit to being regularly surpised by lion behavior and their ability to strategize, none moreso than the Olalashe - Fang (Blondie) video. That video was proof that these animals have an ability of forethought and planning I didn't believe possible. Such interactions are precisely why I am so intrigued by these creatures. If what you say is actually what is taking place, then it would represent further evidence that our understanding of these lions is barely scratching the surface.
RE: Avoca male lions - S.N.M.T.N - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 08:55 PM)Potato Wrote: You guyss much overestimate Blondie's limp. It is just a slight limp, it is not like he can not chase. Also by looking at Mala Mala reports, Birmingham males are rarely together so as long as Avocas press their take over so far, that is by slow push and staying together then I do not see chances of Mohawk being singled out by Birminghams as high. Unless Mohawk goess to the center of Birminghams territory on his own, not hiding his presence at all as Othawa male did he should be okay.
None of us is sub estimating the Blondie's limp, But it's clear that often get worse and he can barely move well. If well the Gowrie males are rarely seen together, If the Avoca males push futher the Birmingham's territory as the Othawa male did, The Birmingham's males will join forces, the BBoys proven it numerous times
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 05-12-2021
(05-12-2021, 09:34 PM)S.N.M.T.N Wrote: The Birmingham's males will join forces, the BBoys proven it numerous timesAvocas already took big chunk of Birminghams territory and the Birminghams made no response to that threat so far.
RE: Avoca male lions - Gijima - 05-12-2021
Any coalition can be a threat if you try to push into their territory. But there is no comparison between what the OM did and what these two are doing. Their whole strategy and approach is different. In 2017-2018 they confronted two adult males and possibly more in the Manyeleti. They know the struggles of injuries and having difficult territories to take over where you have mothers and sub adults and nomadic males running around. OM thought just because he walked around Londolozi for one month roaring he had completed a take over. It’s sad to think how little he probably understood about how lion society works. He has never even seen an adult male lion up close since his fathers died.