(12-17-2018, 11:24 AM)Sanju Wrote: Watch Unique video | Asiatic lion Devraj and jackals in Gir forest at Devaliya

(12-17-2018, 05:20 PM)Rishi Wrote:

(12-17-2018, 11:24 AM)Sanju Wrote: Watch Unique video | Asiatic lion Devraj and jackals in Gir forest at Devaliya

The jackals are actually taunting him I love this kind of clueless, cheesy titles!

(12-19-2014, 04:23 AM)Pckts Wrote: I remember the lion special where a coalition of 4 young intruders prey in the boundries of a dominant fully maned male, before finally attacking, he circled them roaring for a few minutes, two lost their nerve, two remained, only one got into a brief scurmish before being defeated and retreating. I think when a male is by himself, he is obviously going to be less inclined to fight hard unless the intruder gives him no other choice. If he is part of a coalition, he is probably more likely to try and bully since he has others to rely on.

There is no evidence to back this, just an opinion. But examples can be used to contridict this for both lions and tigers, so like usual it probably comes down to one thing....
The individual personality of that particular cat.

(02-07-2015, 06:20 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: a massive male lion!!!!! compared to his females he looks enormous! 

(02-19-2019, 03:51 AM)Charan Singh Wrote:

(12-19-2014, 04:23 AM)@Pckts Wrote: I remember the lion special where a coalition of 4 young intruders prey in the boundries of a dominant fully maned male, before finally attacking, he circled them roaring for a few minutes, two lost their nerve, two remained, only one got into a brief scurmish before being defeated and retreating. I think when a male is by himself, he is obviously going to be less inclined to fight hard unless the intruder gives him no other choice. If he is part of a coalition, he is probably more likely to try and bully since he has others to rely on.

There is no evidence to back this, just an opinion. But examples can be used to contridict this for both lions and tigers, so like usual it probably comes down to one thing....
The individual personality of that particular cat.

I remember that documentary quite well, location was Ngorongoro crater and dark maned lion was called Moran, a single lion reigning a pride.
In fact, statement given in the documentary is exactly the same - single lion would avoid any sort of physical confrontation.  

I have been looking for information about that lion (Moran) because he didn't had any coalition partner and still had a pretty long reign.

(03-09-2019, 07:13 PM)Sanju Wrote:

9/3/2019 Morning.

Mass may be close to 190 Kilograms.

(06-14-2019, 12:04 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(03-09-2019, 07:13 PM)Sanju Wrote:

9/3/2019 Morning.

Mass may be close to 190 Kilograms.

What you think about this giant lions?

1000 Pound African Lion
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=20040213&id=CJ8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EdYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3389,5622568&hl=en

800 lb Lion 
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=i_JPAQAAIAAJ&q=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&dq=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuk4bqsujiAhWvxaYKHertDVUQ6AEIKjAA


Over 750 lbs lions shot in wild
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=yXPzAAAAMAAJ&q=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&dq=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv2pers-jiAhX7SBUIHYSlBjwQ6AEIKjAA

350 kg eastern tangayika D. F. Kruger
313 kg eastarn transval lennox anderson
295 kg lion Victor zenni bow record
284 kg botswanas highest record
282 kg sudan record lion J. K. Roberts　頭骨長375㎜
282 kg angola record lion G. Gladney
281 kg kenya record lion M. J Timmins
280 kg udanda record lion G. Prud'homme
280 kg Tanzania lion J. Reid　肩高104cm
280 kg transval lion C. V. Merriman
280 kg transval lion George Tsaparis
280 kg Taunda tula lion Timbavati nature preserve


Leo krugeri (white lions)

5 feet tall, 650-950 lbs

https://prezi.com/ib03rqqf9yhs/endarn/

(06-14-2019, 12:45 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:04 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(03-09-2019, 07:13 PM)Sanju Wrote:

9/3/2019 Morning.

Mass may be close to 190 Kilograms.

What you think about this giant lions?

1000 Pound African Lion
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=20040213&id=CJ8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EdYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3389,5622568&hl=en

800 lb Lion 
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=i_JPAQAAIAAJ&q=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&dq=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuk4bqsujiAhWvxaYKHertDVUQ6AEIKjAA


Over 750 lbs lions shot in wild
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=yXPzAAAAMAAJ&q=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&dq=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv2pers-jiAhX7SBUIHYSlBjwQ6AEIKjAA

350 kg eastern tangayika D. F. Kruger
313 kg eastarn transval lennox anderson
295 kg lion Victor zenni bow record
284 kg botswanas highest record
282 kg sudan record lion J. K. Roberts　頭骨長375㎜
282 kg angola record lion G. Gladney
281 kg kenya record lion M. J Timmins
280 kg udanda record lion G. Prud'homme
280 kg Tanzania lion J. Reid　肩高104cm
280 kg transval lion C. V. Merriman
280 kg transval lion George Tsaparis
280 kg Taunda tula lion Timbavati nature preserve


Leo krugeri (white lions)

5 feet tall, 650-950 lbs

https://prezi.com/ib03rqqf9yhs/endarn/

As usual, biggest claimed weights come from sources, which can´t be considered so reliable, that weights could be confirmed. As far as I remember, heaviest hunted lion, which is quite commonly approved was 272 kg. Then heavies good looking lion in captivity, which I can remember was Aslan in Norwegian zoo, weighing 255 kg, @Pantherinae worked in that zoo and told that weight. It is also said by staff of that zoo in one video, that it weights 250 kg, so I consider that reliable for me at least.

Then when I look at Aslan and imagine there 50 kg more. Would it be very fat... I don´t think so. It might not be anymore the most ripped lion, but for sure it would be still quite fit lion. Based on that I don´t think that 300 kg lion in wild would be something impossible. Then again it is totally another thing to find one. We are, after all, now talking about exceptional individuals if that big lion would be found one day.

There are claims, that for instance Caesar, famous "Notch lion" would have been about 300 kg, it is said, that it would have been weighed and over 280 kg. But as usual, source is such, that verifying that weight is impossible. No information, who, when and where would have done that weighing. Even though those people are alive, they seem to be impossible to be in contact and get more information. It is 2019 and when someone gives claims like that, but then goes silent when more details is asked.... I find that simply ridiculous and unreliable personally.

So I personally wouldn´t be at all surprised if we one day would get confirmation about some 300 kg lion in wild. But then again to believe that I also want to see sources, who aren´t vanishing in silence immediately when more details is asked. Still old sources are often exaggerated. 800-1000 lbs lions would be possible only, when we are talking about "meatballs" in captivity.

(06-14-2019, 12:53 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:45 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:04 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(03-09-2019, 07:13 PM)Sanju Wrote:

9/3/2019 Morning.

Mass may be close to 190 Kilograms.

What you think about this giant lions?

1000 Pound African Lion
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=20040213&id=CJ8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EdYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3389,5622568&hl=en

800 lb Lion 
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=i_JPAQAAIAAJ&q=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&dq=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuk4bqsujiAhWvxaYKHertDVUQ6AEIKjAA


Over 750 lbs lions shot in wild
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=yXPzAAAAMAAJ&q=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&dq=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv2pers-jiAhX7SBUIHYSlBjwQ6AEIKjAA

350 kg eastern tangayika D. F. Kruger
313 kg eastarn transval lennox anderson
295 kg lion Victor zenni bow record
284 kg botswanas highest record
282 kg sudan record lion J. K. Roberts　頭骨長375㎜
282 kg angola record lion G. Gladney
281 kg kenya record lion M. J Timmins
280 kg udanda record lion G. Prud'homme
280 kg Tanzania lion J. Reid　肩高104cm
280 kg transval lion C. V. Merriman
280 kg transval lion George Tsaparis
280 kg Taunda tula lion Timbavati nature preserve


Leo krugeri (white lions)

5 feet tall, 650-950 lbs

https://prezi.com/ib03rqqf9yhs/endarn/

As usual, biggest claimed weights come from sources, which can´t be considered so reliable, that weights could be confirmed. As far as I remember, heaviest hunted lion, which is quite commonly approved was 272 kg. Then heavies good looking lion in captivity, which I can remember was Aslan in Norwegian zoo, weighing 255 kg, @Pantherinae worked in that zoo and told that weight. It is also said by staff of that zoo in one video, that it weights 250 kg, so I consider that reliable for me at least.

Then when I look at Aslan and imagine there 50 kg more. Would it be very fat... I don´t think so. It might not be anymore the most ripped lion, but for sure it would be still quite fit lion. Based on that I don´t think that 300 kg lion in wild would be something impossible. Then again it is totally another thing to find one. We are, after all, now talking about exceptional individuals if that big lion would be found one day.

There are claims, that for instance Caesar, famous "Notch lion" would have been about 300 kg, it is said, that it would have been weighed and over 280 kg. But as usual, source is such, that verifying that weight is impossible. No information, who, when and where would have done that weighing. Even though those people are alive, they seem to be impossible to be in contact and get more information. It is 2019 and when someone gives claims like that, but then goes silent when more details is asked.... I find that simply ridiculous and unreliable personally.

So I personally wouldn´t be at all surprised if we one day would get confirmation about some 300 kg lion in wild. But then again to believe that I also want to see sources, who aren´t vanishing in silence immediately when more details is asked. Still old sources are often exaggerated. 800-1000 lbs lions would be possible only, when we are talking about "meatballs" in captivity.

1000 pound lions in wild is not impossible.Even a person could reach 1000 pound.But rarerly.And yes,old sources can be wrong.But 1000 pound lion in captivity is true.Simba black maned lion is not fat but extremely muscular.In wild 313 kg and 135 cm height at shoulder.350 kg lion shot in Eastern Tangayika Kruger.But maybe this is too much for a lion in wild.But not impossible.

(06-14-2019, 01:10 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:53 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:45 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:04 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(03-09-2019, 07:13 PM)Sanju Wrote:

9/3/2019 Morning.

Mass may be close to 190 Kilograms.

What you think about this giant lions?

1000 Pound African Lion
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=20040213&id=CJ8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EdYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3389,5622568&hl=en

800 lb Lion 
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=i_JPAQAAIAAJ&q=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&dq=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuk4bqsujiAhWvxaYKHertDVUQ6AEIKjAA


Over 750 lbs lions shot in wild
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=yXPzAAAAMAAJ&q=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&dq=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv2pers-jiAhX7SBUIHYSlBjwQ6AEIKjAA

350 kg eastern tangayika D. F. Kruger
313 kg eastarn transval lennox anderson
295 kg lion Victor zenni bow record
284 kg botswanas highest record
282 kg sudan record lion J. K. Roberts　頭骨長375㎜
282 kg angola record lion G. Gladney
281 kg kenya record lion M. J Timmins
280 kg udanda record lion G. Prud'homme
280 kg Tanzania lion J. Reid　肩高104cm
280 kg transval lion C. V. Merriman
280 kg transval lion George Tsaparis
280 kg Taunda tula lion Timbavati nature preserve


Leo krugeri (white lions)

5 feet tall, 650-950 lbs

https://prezi.com/ib03rqqf9yhs/endarn/

As usual, biggest claimed weights come from sources, which can´t be considered so reliable, that weights could be confirmed. As far as I remember, heaviest hunted lion, which is quite commonly approved was 272 kg. Then heavies good looking lion in captivity, which I can remember was Aslan in Norwegian zoo, weighing 255 kg, @Pantherinae worked in that zoo and told that weight. It is also said by staff of that zoo in one video, that it weights 250 kg, so I consider that reliable for me at least.

Then when I look at Aslan and imagine there 50 kg more. Would it be very fat... I don´t think so. It might not be anymore the most ripped lion, but for sure it would be still quite fit lion. Based on that I don´t think that 300 kg lion in wild would be something impossible. Then again it is totally another thing to find one. We are, after all, now talking about exceptional individuals if that big lion would be found one day.

There are claims, that for instance Caesar, famous "Notch lion" would have been about 300 kg, it is said, that it would have been weighed and over 280 kg. But as usual, source is such, that verifying that weight is impossible. No information, who, when and where would have done that weighing. Even though those people are alive, they seem to be impossible to be in contact and get more information. It is 2019 and when someone gives claims like that, but then goes silent when more details is asked.... I find that simply ridiculous and unreliable personally.

So I personally wouldn´t be at all surprised if we one day would get confirmation about some 300 kg lion in wild. But then again to believe that I also want to see sources, who aren´t vanishing in silence immediately when more details is asked. Still old sources are often exaggerated. 800-1000 lbs lions would be possible only, when we are talking about "meatballs" in captivity.

1000 pound lions in wild is not impossible.Even a person could reach 1000 pound.But rarerly.And yes,old sources can be wrong.But 1000 pound lion in captivity is true.Simba black maned lion is not fat but extremely muscular.In wild 313 kg and 135 cm height at shoulder.350 kg lion shot in Eastern Tangayika Kruger.But maybe this is too much for a lion in wild.But not impossible.

1000 lbs is 454 kg. We are talking about lions now, not bears. There haven´t been even rumors about anything close to such weight. It is nice to like some animal, but if that leads to losing all rationality, then you are in situation where no-one can take seriously anything you say. So I strongly recommend, that you use some time and study these animals and remember source criticism. It is important to separate myths from facts.

(06-14-2019, 01:17 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 01:10 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:53 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:45 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(06-14-2019, 12:04 PM)Arctotherium Wrote:

(03-09-2019, 07:13 PM)Sanju Wrote:

9/3/2019 Morning.

Mass may be close to 190 Kilograms.

What you think about this giant lions?

1000 Pound African Lion
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=20040213&id=CJ8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EdYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3389,5622568&hl=en

800 lb Lion 
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=i_JPAQAAIAAJ&q=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&dq=%22TWO+mamuding+lions+which,+since+January+this+year,+killed+244+cattle+and+three+donkeys,+were+shot+at+lssuna+village+in+Tanganyika.+The+lions+were+found+to+weigh+700+and+800+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiuk4bqsujiAhWvxaYKHertDVUQ6AEIKjAA


Over 750 lbs lions shot in wild
https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=yXPzAAAAMAAJ&q=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&dq=view+of+the+assertion+in+a+%22recent+book+(by+Martin+Johnson)+that+a+lion+was+shot+weighing+over+750+lb.%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiv2pers-jiAhX7SBUIHYSlBjwQ6AEIKjAA

350 kg eastern tangayika D. F. Kruger
313 kg eastarn transval lennox anderson
295 kg lion Victor zenni bow record
284 kg botswanas highest record
282 kg sudan record lion J. K. Roberts　頭骨長375㎜
282 kg angola record lion G. Gladney
281 kg kenya record lion M. J Timmins
280 kg udanda record lion G. Prud'homme
280 kg Tanzania lion J. Reid　肩高104cm
280 kg transval lion C. V. Merriman
280 kg transval lion George Tsaparis
280 kg Taunda tula lion Timbavati nature preserve


Leo krugeri (white lions)

5 feet tall, 650-950 lbs

https://prezi.com/ib03rqqf9yhs/endarn/

As usual, biggest claimed weights come from sources, which can´t be considered so reliable, that weights could be confirmed. As far as I remember, heaviest hunted lion, which is quite commonly approved was 272 kg. Then heavies good looking lion in captivity, which I can remember was Aslan in Norwegian zoo, weighing 255 kg, @Pantherinae worked in that zoo and told that weight. It is also said by staff of that zoo in one video, that it weights 250 kg, so I consider that reliable for me at least.

Then when I look at Aslan and imagine there 50 kg more. Would it be very fat... I don´t think so. It might not be anymore the most ripped lion, but for sure it would be still quite fit lion. Based on that I don´t think that 300 kg lion in wild would be something impossible. Then again it is totally another thing to find one. We are, after all, now talking about exceptional individuals if that big lion would be found one day.

There are claims, that for instance Caesar, famous "Notch lion" would have been about 300 kg, it is said, that it would have been weighed and over 280 kg. But as usual, source is such, that verifying that weight is impossible. No information, who, when and where would have done that weighing. Even though those people are alive, they seem to be impossible to be in contact and get more information. It is 2019 and when someone gives claims like that, but then goes silent when more details is asked.... I find that simply ridiculous and unreliable personally.

So I personally wouldn´t be at all surprised if we one day would get confirmation about some 300 kg lion in wild. But then again to believe that I also want to see sources, who aren´t vanishing in silence immediately when more details is asked. Still old sources are often exaggerated. 800-1000 lbs lions would be possible only, when we are talking about "meatballs" in captivity.

1000 pound lions in wild is not impossible.Even a person could reach 1000 pound.But rarerly.And yes,old sources can be wrong.But 1000 pound lion in captivity is true.Simba black maned lion is not fat but extremely muscular.In wild 313 kg and 135 cm height at shoulder.350 kg lion shot in Eastern Tangayika Kruger.But maybe this is too much for a lion in wild.But not impossible.

1000 lbs is 454 kg. We are talking about lions now, not bears. There haven´t been even rumors about anything close to such weight. It is nice to like some animal, but if that leads to losing all rationality, then you are in situation where no-one can take seriously anything you say. So I strongly recommend, that you use some time and study these animals and remember source criticism. It is important to separate myths from facts.

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