'GuateGojira dateline='' Wrote: Not only not-adjusted, but also unconfirmed. Two other persons contacted Richard Kock and he give two different answers (one saying that it was possible true, and other saying that he has no idea of the record), however, in both communications he clearly stated that he don't even remember the record, so it is unclear where Nowell & Jackson (1996) get that figure. It is interesting that this is not the only mistake in that book, they also quoted some leopard records incorrectly.

Even worst, the Kenya Wildlife Service, which is the one that keep the records in the country, confirmed that the heaviest male lion in they records was a male of 230 kg hunted in the Aberdares NP, and this is confirmed by Dr Bruce Patterson in his book "The Tsavo Lions" (2003).

Are lions up to 272 kg in hunting records? Yes, but certainly there is no such thing as a 600 lb male in Kenya, and even less in scientific records.
 

 

(07-31-2014, 10:03 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote:

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'Pckts' pid='3690' dateline='1406748165'
Just shows the importance of not only a dominate coalition but a dominate member of the coalition.
If the position is up for grabs it seems that other members wont hesitate to kill off "rivals" cubs even from the same coalition.

It also shows the importance of having not too many members because of the jealously that happens when some are not allowed to mate with the females.
I wonder what is the largest coalition size to date?
 

I know a very large coalition called the skybed. It had 9 members at one point don't know how many there's left now! Here's 8 of them 




 

 

(07-31-2014, 09:06 PM)'Pantherinae' Wrote:

'GuateGojira dateline='' Wrote: Not only not-adjusted, but also unconfirmed. Two other persons contacted Richard Kock and he give two different answers (one saying that it was possible true, and other saying that he has no idea of the record), however, in both communications he clearly stated that he don't even remember the record, so it is unclear where Nowell & Jackson (1996) get that figure. It is interesting that this is not the only mistake in that book, they also quoted some leopard records incorrectly.

Even worst, the Kenya Wildlife Service, which is the one that keep the records in the country, confirmed that the heaviest male lion in they records was a male of 230 kg hunted in the Aberdares NP, and this is confirmed by Dr Bruce Patterson in his book "The Tsavo Lions" (2003).

Are lions up to 272 kg in hunting records? Yes, but certainly there is no such thing as a 600 lb male in Kenya, and even less in scientific records.
 


 

It's true what you are saying hunting records are IMO not always smart to belive! I have heard that myself that the heaviest lion in Kenya is 230 kg. But there was one lion weighed 280 kg scaled down to 553 kg and one other lion who was weighed 260 with about 20 kg of stomack content. so scaled down to 240 kg. Those looks quite reliable aswell! 
 

 

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Nice info, how do his measurements match up to other lions?
240kg seems like a very high estimate for that lion, I would like to compare to others and see if their weight match's up.