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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 01-23-2022

(01-23-2022, 01:11 AM)sundarbans Wrote:
(01-16-2022, 07:49 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Really working out well for him, considering he's not related to the rest of them either

Are you saying Ubuso is not related to the other Ndzhenga males? I am not familiar with their origins so do you know how he ended up teaming up with the other three?


He's apparently two or so years older than the others. There are pictures of him as a lone nomad. 

I don't believe it's not  known when they joined up, guessing he came across them close to their natal area and they all headed up into Sabi sands.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 01-23-2022

Looks one of the Ndzhenga? males found the Mhangenis. No sign of the cub 

https://www.instagram.com/stories/catherine_claire1/2756633287587368514/

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Potato - 01-23-2022

(01-23-2022, 04:02 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Looks one of the Ndzhenga? males found the Mhangenis. No sign of the cub 

https://www.instagram.com/stories/catherine_claire1/2756633287587368514/

Looks like Ubuso with Kambula pride.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - felinefan - 01-23-2022

(01-23-2022, 04:02 AM)The cub and Tinya are probably in hiding.  Have a hard time figuring out the Manghenis.  They chase away the PC males and the NYM male and then move all the way South into Sabi Sabi to hang out with the Ndzhenga\s. Wrote: Looks one of the Ndzhenga? males found the Mhangenis. No sign of the cub 

https://www.instagram.com/stories/catherine_claire1/2756633287587368514/


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 01-23-2022

Its to early to declare the cub etc death or missing.
The Mhangeni are probably just trying to avoid Nym and the PCmales and are now exploring the gap left by the Nwaswitshakas moving east.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 01-23-2022

Its now reported that 6 Mhangeni lionesses were seen without the cub.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 01-23-2022

(01-23-2022, 07:49 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its now reported that 6 Mhangeni lionesses were seen without the cub.

Yea, i mean if they accepted Nwaswitshaka male (which apperantly they did as they didnt behave agressive towards Ubuso) that cub was doomed..

Tinya prob tryed to save the cub, as she was not seen with 5 females and Ubuso, but ultimatly she cant do nothing. 

I mean, we cant expect that 5 females will not mate with any males because of 1 cub for 2-3 yrs..

In Tinya's example, she was lucky that OM tolerate her and didn't kill her, OM being very young, his first pride and less experience was prob the reason.

So we kinda hoped that Nkuhuma male might be for this remaining cubs what OM use to be for Tinya, but yea, it didn't happen.

Its yet to be seen, but theres very big possiblity, with Kambulas being scattered all over the place, that Mhangenis settle around Londolozi with Nwaswitshakas, which might actually benefit Nhenha.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 01-23-2022

6 Mhangeni females in Nottens, deep into Nwaswitshakas territory, without the remaining cub :



Sometimes is hard to understand lions, but this cub and recently missing sub where doomed sooner or later, it was only matter of time when Mhangeni females will be in search for dominant males, which this move into Nwaswitshakas territory looks exactly like it.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 01-23-2022

Its more likely they were trying to find some safer lands to stay in with Nym becoming more a pest to them. During this expedition they however ran into Uboso. Which they then tried to distract while Tinya and the cub ran off. Its not like prides just instantaneously start accepting and inviting male lions in once their cubs are death.
Somehow however the cub got killed and afterwards Tinya rejoined the core pride again. Resulting in the new sighting. 

I don't think the pride is going to stay in that region after this southern expedition turned into such a disaster. (Two cubs death in the span of just a few weeks).
More likely they will head back to familiar territory again and join up with male lions they are more familiar with, such as Nym or perhaps even the Tumbellas or PC males.

The PC males are probably their best bet. The Nwas, having already two prides nearly under their control are already spread out thin and likely wont offer much protection against the PC males. Going with the Tumbellas may invite a similar disaster as we saw with the Ximhungwes and Nym, being a solo male between far bigger coalitions is also unlikely to last long. The PC males on the other hand are still somewhat free and have the numbers and ferocity to deal with the harsh politics of Singita.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 01-23-2022

(01-23-2022, 09:15 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its more likely they were trying to find some safer lands to stay in with Nym becoming more a pest to them. During this expedition they however ran into Uboso. Which they then tried to distract while Tinya and the cub ran off. Its not like prides just instantaneously start accepting and inviting male lions in once their cubs are death.
Somehow however the cub got killed and afterwards Tinya rejoined the core pride again. Resulting in the new sighting. 

Safer lands? They are in the heart of 4 dominant males territory.. 

Running from 1 nomadic male, (also Nkuhuma was most recently seen in MalaMala, so i dont think he was near them recently) , or even 2 PC boys into territory of 4 dominant males? I dont think so, it makes no sense. 

And i dont think Kambula subadults can over power them, especially as half of the subs was recently seen all the way south in Lion Sands. 

Its yet to be see what Mhangenis intentions are, but they definitely didn't venture into core Nwaswitshakas territory because they where running from 1 male to save their cub.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 01-23-2022

They definitely didn't venture in there for a social call. Especially not while dragging their cubs with them. That makes even less sense. 

Keep in mind that the Mhangeni don't have access to maps and up to date records of every lions whereabouts like we do.
They likely made some errors in judgements, believed that the entire Nwas coalition were further to the east, didn't know there was a pride there and thought that they could get away with venturing just a little bit further south to follow that antelope herd or something. Until it was to late.

Mistakes happen. Not every lions decision is based on sound logic or makes sense. Sometimes they just screw up and do exactly the opposite of what we, looking up from above with our fancy maps and information network wouldn't do when walking in their pawprints.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Cath2020 - 01-24-2022

Yes, I agree that the N'was would be hard-pressed to be very good dominant males right now due to them not sticking together recently after their incursion into Mala Mala.  They will doom most of their progeny if they try to take too many prides.  Since 13 offspring were not enough for them, they now will have to either retreat or choose the Kambula Young Breakaways or Manghenis.... I highly doubt that they can SUCCESSFULLY take both those prides on, defend any new offspring, along with raise their 13 cubs.  Even if they only take one more pride, they could be spreading themselves too thin if both prides are not in close proximity.  They might soon split, but I don't see that as viable because of the health of 2 of them.

The poor Manghenis....their one shining example of success with the Kambulas, thanks 99% due to the protection of the 4 Majings in their prime.  This goes to show how important males are to the stability of the entire pride, and if they will be able to increase their numbers easily.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Bellateda - 01-24-2022

Mhangeni are now free to mate and breed new cubs. I hope they will choose PC males. N'was are not very good choice since they have other prides.

Not NYM, he will die like OM. Two or more males.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Potato - 01-24-2022

(01-24-2022, 12:05 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: They will doom most of their progeny if they try to take too many prides.
Same was talked about Majingilanes... 2 to 4 prides controled at the same time is fine for a coalition as big as four members strong.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 01-24-2022

(01-23-2022, 10:12 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: They definitely didn't venture in there for a social call. Especially not while dragging their cubs with them. That makes even less sense. 

Keep in mind that the Mhangeni don't have access to maps and up to date records of every lions whereabouts like we do.
They likely made some errors in judgements, believed that the entire Nwas coalition were further to the east, didn't know there was a pride there and thought that they could get away with venturing just a little bit further south to follow that antelope herd or something. Until it was to late.

Mistakes happen. Not every lions decision is based on sound logic or makes sense. Sometimes they just screw up and do exactly the opposite of what we, looking up from above with our fancy maps and information network wouldn't do when walking in their pawprints

They dont have maps, but lions roar, Mhangenis are very well awere that east/southeast of them is coalition of 4 dominant males (they encounterd them before, and lost cubs after that) but regardless of that they ventured there and encounterd one or more and after encounter (which happened at Sabi Sabi) they didnt retreat back yet continued stay and move further east into Nottens.

Mhangenis have 4 (soon will be all 6 as sub/cub is gone) females ready for mating, its hard to believe they would not seek males for mating for 2-3 yrs because they have 1-2 cubs to raise. Only hope was if they accepted NK or 2 PC boys and they speared cubs.. Which now doesnt matter as they are gone.