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RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 09-29-2019
Interesting article from 2016 concerning The Dudley Riverbank male, who was killed by two lionesses. Interesting story to read otherwise too, not only as an example about interactions between leopards and lions.
Quote: "Despite losing sight in one eye he survived and continued to fend for himself regardless, and carved himself a territory despite being surrounded by numerous very strong male leopards. Sadly the final chapter of this male’s life is a tragic one and about two weeks ago, he was killed by the Tsalala pride of lions. Although we found him already injured, the tracks showed that he was ambushed and severely mauled by the two adult lionesses that have been secreting cubs in the rocky outcrops along the Manyelethi Riverbed. Judging by his wounds it must have been an intense and prolonged battle. He was outnumbered and outsized and eventually succumbed to his wounds later that same day."
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Whole story: https://blog.londolozi.com/2016/07/06/lions-kill-leopard-a-tribute-to-the-dudley-riverbank-55-male/
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 09-29-2019
Article about one recent case, in which leopard survived and managed to flee from a desperate situation.
Quotes:
"A study conducted recently in the Greater Kruger Park found that lions account for over 20% of leopard mortalities. Despite this, leopards do not actively avoid their bigger rivals and the cats often inhabit the same territories. For the most part, the two species coexist peacefully: leopards usually target small- to medium-sized prey, while lions opt for more sizeable quarry like adult buffaloes. When they do clash, however, it's the larger cats that almost always come out on top."
"If a leopard finds itself cornered by a pride of lions, its best chance at survival is to act ultra submissive. The roly-poly routine that you can see in the video is a cat's way of saying "I know I am vanquished but I appeal to your sense of compassion," explains Dr. Paul Funston, Lion Program Senior Director and Southern Africa Regional Director for Panthera, the global wild cat conservation organisation. Funston points out that the leopard is a fully grown male, so if the cats did come to blows it's possible that there would be injuries on both sides. "I would bet if this leopard was young or perhaps even a female things might have turned out differently," he adds."
Whole article: https://www.earthtouchnews.com/natural-world/animal-behaviour/watch-why-did-these-lions-let-this-leopard-off-the-hook/
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 09-29-2019
I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html
In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.
Quote:
"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences.
The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail.
Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pckts - 09-29-2019
(09-29-2019, 06:17 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html
In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.
Quote:
"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences.
The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail.
Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms
Both incidents sound speculative, if a Tiger was killed by a boar it'd show wounds and no stray dog could be anything more than prey for a Tiger, even a 3 year old.
Edut: I found it, P212 was treated for rabies.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 09-29-2019
(09-29-2019, 09:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:Well, wild boars have been reported to kill some tigers in official reports from India and Russia, so nothing special in it. Then again if tiger is treated for rabies, dog bites are for sure a good reason to do so.(09-29-2019, 06:17 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html
In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.
Quote:
"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences.
The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail.
Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms
Both incidents sound speculative, if a Tiger was killed by a boar it'd show wounds and no stray dog could be anything more than prey for a Tiger, even a 3 year old.
Edut: I found it, P212 was treated for rabies.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Diamir2 - 09-29-2019
(09-29-2019, 09:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:http://indiasendangered.com/3-year-old-tiger-bitten-by-rabid-dog/(09-29-2019, 06:17 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html
In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.
Quote:
"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences.
The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail.
Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms
Both incidents sound speculative, if a Tiger was killed by a boar it'd show wounds and no stray dog could be anything more than prey for a Tiger, even a 3 year old.
Edut: I found it, P212 was treated for rabies.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 09-29-2019
Good find! Even though a pack of dogs could harass a tiger and give some bites, this source seems to be quite good and looks to give real story what happened.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pckts - 09-30-2019
(09-29-2019, 09:38 PM)Shadow Wrote:I cannot recall a single case of an Indian Boar killing a Tiger nor can I recall a Russian one either, but it'd be more believable with a Russian boar.(09-29-2019, 09:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:Well, wild boars have been reported to kill some tigers in official reports from India and Russia, so nothing special in it. Then again if tiger is treated for rabies, dog bites are for sure a good reason to do so.(09-29-2019, 06:17 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html
In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.
Quote:
"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences.
The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail.
Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms
Both incidents sound speculative, if a Tiger was killed by a boar it'd show wounds and no stray dog could be anything more than prey for a Tiger, even a 3 year old.
Edut: I found it, P212 was treated for rabies.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 09-30-2019
(09-30-2019, 12:15 AM)Pckts Wrote:(09-29-2019, 09:38 PM)Shadow Wrote:I cannot recall a single case of an Indian Boar killing a Tiger nor can I recall a Russian one either, but it'd be more believable with a Russian boar.(09-29-2019, 09:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:Well, wild boars have been reported to kill some tigers in official reports from India and Russia, so nothing special in it. Then again if tiger is treated for rabies, dog bites are for sure a good reason to do so.(09-29-2019, 06:17 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html
In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.
Quote:
"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences.
The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail.
Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms
Both incidents sound speculative, if a Tiger was killed by a boar it'd show wounds and no stray dog could be anything more than prey for a Tiger, even a 3 year old.
Edut: I found it, P212 was treated for rabies.
@Rishi shared one official report a little time ago and there was reported wild boar as cause of death of one tiger. From Russia there is also tiger mortality study (Miquelle and some others) where is mentioned wild boar as cause of death of tiger. I don´t now remember exact studies, but those have been posted here before. I think, that if making google search: tiger mortality russia researchgate, it´s easy to find.
Of course not a common thing to happen. Rare cases.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pckts - 09-30-2019
(09-30-2019, 01:09 AM)Shadow Wrote:(09-30-2019, 12:15 AM)Pckts Wrote:(09-29-2019, 09:38 PM)Shadow Wrote:I cannot recall a single case of an Indian Boar killing a Tiger nor can I recall a Russian one either, but it'd be more believable with a Russian boar.(09-29-2019, 09:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:Well, wild boars have been reported to kill some tigers in official reports from India and Russia, so nothing special in it. Then again if tiger is treated for rabies, dog bites are for sure a good reason to do so.(09-29-2019, 06:17 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html
In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.
Quote:
"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences.
The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail.
Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms
Both incidents sound speculative, if a Tiger was killed by a boar it'd show wounds and no stray dog could be anything more than prey for a Tiger, even a 3 year old.
Edut: I found it, P212 was treated for rabies.
@Rishi shared one official report a little time ago and there was reported wild boar as cause of death of one tiger. From Russia there is also tiger mortality study (Miquelle and some others) where is mentioned wild boar as cause of death of tiger. I don´t now remember exact studies, but those have been posted here before. I think, that if making google search: tiger mortality russia researchgate, it´s easy to find.
Of course not a common thing to happen. Rare cases.
Like most unusual claims, I'd like to see said accounts. Usually these claims are based off of minimal evidence and individual interpretation over factual data. Similar to the claim of a sloth bear killing a Tiger in Dudhwa which had no evidence to back it either. But like I said, Russian boars are far more formidable and much more likely to be able to inflict enough damage to kill a Tiger where as Indian boars are too small usually and causing that type of damage would seem to involve very uncommon circumstances.
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Shadow - 09-30-2019
(09-30-2019, 02:32 AM)Pckts Wrote:(09-30-2019, 01:09 AM)Shadow Wrote:(09-30-2019, 12:15 AM)Pckts Wrote:(09-29-2019, 09:38 PM)Shadow Wrote:I cannot recall a single case of an Indian Boar killing a Tiger nor can I recall a Russian one either, but it'd be more believable with a Russian boar.(09-29-2019, 09:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:Well, wild boars have been reported to kill some tigers in official reports from India and Russia, so nothing special in it. Then again if tiger is treated for rabies, dog bites are for sure a good reason to do so.(09-29-2019, 06:17 PM)Shadow Wrote: I noticed by accident more information about one older case, where dogs injured a tiger. Looks like those were stray dogs. In this article was just mentioned wild dogs https://zeenews.india.com/news/eco-news/pack-of-wild-dogs-attack-and-injure-tiger-at-panna-reserve_877236.html
In this article is now said clearly that stray dogs and a bit more information concerning injuries.
Quote:
"On September 10, 2013, a three-year-old tiger, P-212, was attacked by a stray dog near Hinouta range inside Panna Tiger reserve in one of the rarest occurrences.
The tiger was tranquilized and shifted to enclosure following multiple bites on its nose and tail.
Incidents of dogs and wild boars chasing tigers have been reported from other forest areas, too."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/now-wild-boars-kill-tiger/articleshow/63590359.cms
Both incidents sound speculative, if a Tiger was killed by a boar it'd show wounds and no stray dog could be anything more than prey for a Tiger, even a 3 year old.
Edut: I found it, P212 was treated for rabies.
@Rishi shared one official report a little time ago and there was reported wild boar as cause of death of one tiger. From Russia there is also tiger mortality study (Miquelle and some others) where is mentioned wild boar as cause of death of tiger. I don´t now remember exact studies, but those have been posted here before. I think, that if making google search: tiger mortality russia researchgate, it´s easy to find.
Of course not a common thing to happen. Rare cases.
Like most unusual claims, I'd like to see said accounts. Usually these claims are based off of minimal evidence and individual interpretation over factual data. Similar to the claim of a sloth bear killing a Tiger in Dudhwa which had no evidence to back it either. But like I said, Russian boars are far more formidable and much more likely to be able to inflict enough damage to kill a Tiger where as Indian boars are too small usually and causing that type of damage would seem to involve very uncommon circumstances.
It would be nice to know more, but not too much information available. But not all hunts of tigers are so graceful, like that one hunting a monkey and then falling from the tree. That case is one of the funniest I´ve seen. Especially when that tiger was looking like trying to make it look like, that just chilling out there lying on the ground :)
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Roberto - 09-30-2019
"Similar to the claim of a sloth bear killing a Tiger in Dudhwa which had no evidence to back it either. "
while its not 100% confirmed, its the most likely case, look at the injuries. also, the bear was the only animal seen in that area. "No pugmarks of another tiger were found around the water hole"
"The nature of injuries on the neck and head of the tiger suggest they may have been caused during an attack by a sloth bear,”
Dudhwa tiger may have been killed by huge sloth bear:
BAREILLY: A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa National Park on Sunday may have been killed by a sloth bear, suspect Dudhwa officials. While no pugmarks of another tiger were found around the water hole, images of a huge sloth bear have been captured by camera traps set 150 metres from the spot. The bear had a few scratches on its face and seemed to be moving about with difficulty.
“The nature of injuries on the neck and head of the tiger suggest they may have been caused during an attack by a sloth bear,” said DTR field director Ramesh Pandey. The autopsy report submitted on Monday had said the tiger was killed by a “large carnivore” but did not specifically say it was another tiger.
Though a tiger being attacked by a bear is rare, Panday recalled an incident reported from Tadoba National Park in Maharashtra in 2018 when a male tiger, ‘Matkasur’, had picked up a fight with a sloth bear near a water hole. The fight was captured on camera by a tourist.
“The video showed the tiger was resting in the water when the sloth bear arrived with its cub. It fought with the bear possibly trying to defend its territory. But Matkasur lost the fight as it struggled to grip the bear’s thick fur. Fortunately, the tiger survived,” the field director said.
Pandey suspects that in Dudhwa, too, a similar situation arose. But in this case, the tiger was aged as it was over 12 years old. Such tigers are often thrown out of their territory and sometimes reside around water holes due to easy availability of prey. “This tiger may have fought with the sloth bear for dominance over the water hole as in Tadoba. However, this is not the final conclusion. We have also sought pictures captured by camera traps in Dudhwa range during tiger census of 2018. This will help us in identifying if any other tiger is in this area.
“A bear is quite a powerful animal and its claws may cause deep wounds on the tiger's body,” Pandey said.
Daksh Gangwar of Wildlife Trust of India, who was part of the veterinary team that conducted the autopsy, said, “The injuries were caused by a large powerful animal, possibly a carnivore. Such injuries can also be caused by a sloth bear because it has strong claws and can inflict serious injuries on a tiger."
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/amp_articleshow/68912576.cms
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pckts - 09-30-2019
@
This has already been discussed, neither the vet who examined the Tiger claimed the death was due to a Sloth bear nor was there any actual proof of that occurring, infact, it was due to large canine punctures and a brain hemorrhage which sloth bears dont posses. On top of that, one of the main guides there, Siddarth Singh already said it was was most likely due to infighting as well.
@Shadow
Can you direct him to our conversation on this, I forget where it was.
Thank you
Edit: nvm, I found it
https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-big-cat-and-bear-tale?page=19
See the discussion in the link attached
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Roberto - 09-30-2019
Pckts: i had already seen that discussion and i saw that Shadow agrees with me. (For once, lmao).
RE: Felids Interactions - Interspecific Conflicts - Pckts - 09-30-2019
(09-30-2019, 05:18 AM)Roberto Wrote: Pckts: i had already seen that discussion and i saw that Shadow agrees with me. (For once, lmao).
So why post the exact same article again?