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RE: The Birmingham Males - vinodkumarn - 11-13-2017
(11-13-2017, 02:30 AM)Michael Wrote:(11-13-2017, 02:00 AM)vinodkumarn Wrote: The Birmingham Pride (the Birmingham Boys' birth pride) in late 2013, with MFUMO on the far right. Photo by Fin LawlorFrom what I remember there were other males in the pride other then the five Birmingham Boys, what happened to the other males does anyone know?
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May be not all of them were evicted from the pride at the same time. Just like 2 Avocas were evicted couple of months earlier than their 3 younger brothers.
Only 5 of the BBpys arrived in Sabisands!
From MalaMala reports, it looks like scrapper is 2nd oldest. (After Nsuku), even though he appears to be youngest.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Tshokwane - 11-13-2017
(11-13-2017, 02:32 AM)vinodkumarn Wrote: From MalaMala reports, it looks like scrapper is 2nd oldest. (After Nsuku), even though he appears to be youngest.
Nah, he was the youngest.
He was last in the hierarchy and had the shortest mane of them all when they appeared in northern Sabi sands.
RE: The Birmingham Males - vinodkumarn - 11-13-2017
(11-13-2017, 02:45 AM)Tshokwane Wrote:(11-13-2017, 02:32 AM)vinodkumarn Wrote: From MalaMala reports, it looks like scrapper is 2nd oldest. (After Nsuku), even though he appears to be youngest.
Nah, he was the youngest.
He was last in the hierarchy and had the shortest mane of them all when they appeared in northern Sabi sands.
I too thought so initially. But surprised to see Mala Mala reports
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February 2017 Report
RE: The Birmingham Males - Michael - 11-13-2017
(11-13-2017, 02:49 AM)vinodkumarn Wrote:Yeah from the pictures he seemed to be the smallest and with the shortest mane it's unlikely he was the same age as Nsuku he could have had a genetic propensity to have a short mane but it was probably the Malamala guides not realising it would make sense putting him in last in the list since despite him being death he was the youngest.(11-13-2017, 02:45 AM)Tshokwane Wrote:(11-13-2017, 02:32 AM)vinodkumarn Wrote: From MalaMala reports, it looks like scrapper is 2nd oldest. (After Nsuku), even though he appears to be youngest.
Nah, he was the youngest.
He was last in the hierarchy and had the shortest mane of them all when they appeared in northern Sabi sands.
I too thought so initially. But surprised to see Mala Mala reports
February 2017 Report
How likely is it that Mfumo was the same age as Scrapper and younger than the other three despite its size ?
It might be due to lower testosterone levels but he always seems late in terms of physical development compared to the other three, lighter mane, smaller mane I know the colour of the mane is mainly decided by the levels of testosterone but is the size and volume as well ?
[email protected] - swtlei4u - 11-13-2017
nsuku was a year older to the other 4 and they all left at the same time with their sisters. they're was a youtube video when the bboys stole a kill from the nukuhmu and junior was their and junior came face to face with one of them and nothing happened and it look like they were almost the same size but i think junior is younger.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Tshokwane - 11-13-2017
Male #3 letting a cub play on top of him.
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RE: The Birmingham Males - Ngala - 11-15-2017
From Nkorho Bush Lodge, credits to Nkorho Rangers:
Sightings Update:
12 November 2017
Afternoon Drive:
-Soon After we found the Styx Lion Pride with all their cubs and one Birmingham Male Lion sleeping on the main road.
13 November 2017
Morning Drive.
-Found the Styx Lion Pride with the six bigger cubs as well as one Birmingham Male Lion moving to where they had hidden the younger ones.
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Sightings Update:
14 November 2017
Afternoon Drive:
-On the way back we saw two of the Birmingham Male Lions walking down the road roaring. After a while they went into the bushes and eventually met up with a third member.
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RE: The Birmingham Males - KGB_lion - 11-19-2017
3 Birmingham Male Lions strolling in Londolozi (Probably north) Nov 18, 2017.
RE: The Birmingham Males - vinodkumarn - 11-20-2017
MALAMALA TODAY: November 17th-19th. Lions: The recent movements of the Gowrie males to some extent adhere to an African proverb that reads; “If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.” When viewing these lions in the comfort of their territory we often see them in ones and twos but every time we’ve seen them pushing south, all four have been together. This was the case again on both Thursday and Friday when they were all near Matshapiri Open Area. Venturing south as unit is wise as a run in with the Mantimahle males is a possibility. They have since returned to the north and we’ve had sightings of 2 males on their own. The 2 Avoca males were viewed on the 17th and the 19th in western and central Charleston respectively. Interestingly the 3 nomadic males from the Marthly pride were seen with an Eyrefield lioness at Calabash Crossing today. The Matshapiri male was in eastern Flockfield.
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RE: The Birmingham Males - Chris - 11-24-2017
The matinmahle males would destroy the Birminghams there just bigger and stronger
RE: The Birmingham Males - sik94 - 11-24-2017
(11-24-2017, 12:46 AM)Chris Wrote: The matinmahle males would destroy the Birminghams there just bigger and stronger
Doubt it, both coalitions have nothing to gain from such a fight and would avoid each other. Size won't save an overconfident mantimahle when two birminghams have him by the spine.
RE: The Birmingham Males - Chris - 11-24-2017
(11-24-2017, 08:30 AM)sik94 Wrote:I’m talking about 4 Birminghams going against 5 humongous mantinmahle males. And the mantinmahle males will win.(11-24-2017, 12:46 AM)Chris Wrote: The matinmahle males would destroy the Birminghams there just bigger and stronger
Doubt it, both coalitions have nothing to gain from such a fight and would avoid each other. Size won't save an overconfident mantimahle when two birminghams have him by the spine.
RE: The Birmingham Males - vinodkumarn - 11-24-2017
A Birmingham male lion was resting up on one of the main roads. Going through a drainage line meant that as we came up the embankment, we were able to stop for a few images at eye level with this beautiful male lion. Image by Myke Glasson
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RE: The Birmingham Males - wenz75 - 11-25-2017
(11-24-2017, 10:15 PM)vinodkumarn Wrote: A Birmingham male lion was resting up on one of the main roads. Going through a drainage line meant that as we came up the embankment, we were able to stop for a few images at eye level with this beautiful male lion. Image by Myke Glassoni thought the birmingham boys always patrolling in mala mala.
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RE: The Birmingham Males - KGB_lion - 11-25-2017
(11-24-2017, 10:13 PM)Chris Wrote:(11-24-2017, 08:30 AM)sik94 Wrote:I’m talking about 4 Birminghams going against 5 humongous mantinmahle males. And the mantinmahle males will win.(11-24-2017, 12:46 AM)Chris Wrote: The matinmahle males would destroy the Birminghams there just bigger and stronger
Doubt it, both coalitions have nothing to gain from such a fight and would avoid each other. Size won't save an overconfident mantimahle when two birminghams have him by the spine.
The Size difference is not much to make any decisive gains, both coalitions have big males in their prime. Moreover Mantinmahles have a very large territory with active prides and cubs in Kruger, they have only made small ventures into Mala Mala(At max the southern reaches of Matshapiri river, near Buffalo Pans). Whereas the Birminghams have at max ventured close to the Matshapiri open area, region around Main camp with their main boundary along the Ostrich/Campbell Koppies. Birminghams also have active prides with young cubs. Both the coalitions have a very large territory with a sizeable pride population and cubs to defend.
I don't see them clashing anytime soon unless either plans on vacating their established territories for new ones. If such a clash do happen, 4 vs 5 where all are present it won't result any decisive victory for either ... all it would lead to is a lot of roaring/scarps and chasing back n forth like we have seen with Majingilane-Matimba, Matshapiri-Matimba clashes. If a win/victory is to happen it would require one of the coalitions to catch out a lone member of the opposing coalition, critically damage him and in such a case 'size' won't matter at all like sik94 said.