(11-10-2021, 10:17 PM)sik94 Wrote:

(11-10-2021, 10:08 PM)Slayerd Wrote:

(11-10-2021, 09:51 PM)Gijima Wrote:

(11-10-2021, 08:23 PM)Slayerd Wrote:

(11-10-2021, 06:42 PM)Gijima Wrote: Good to get clarification: 

-Bboys were long gone on Sunday and not even in the area or roaring by Sunday night… 
- N Avocas answered the call and it looks like dragged the N’Ws all the way to MM main camp
- I’m sure the Avocas then wisely moved off (no physical fight happened or something minor since they have no injuries) when the N’Ws arrived in Mala Mala
- N’W are now fully focused on the females. I don’t think they’ll cross the sand river IMO and just go up and down that area in Mala Mala.

I already said that a ranger said the Bboys (one or both) were roaring on their western border during the Nwaswitshaka push. Was probably Nhenha. Weird thing is Londolozi is using Nhenha's roar in the video. Nhenha has a unique roar presumably because he hurt his vocal cords when he was younger. His roar has a squeak before he belts. Probably just an effect for the video. So they probably weren't "long gone" but it is safe to assume that they've been spending less time on Londozi which prompted the Nwaswitshaka to push. It was yesterday that it was reported they were on a Buffalo Carcass east of their territory and that's probably where Londolozi got their information. Rangers didn't know where the Bboys were today. But if Tinyo was at a Buffalo carcass east of their territory, it would last him and the 3 lionesses and cubs a few days to eat off that. Dunno what Nhenha was doing but it's safe to say from both Timbevati and I that he was the one roaring on the border.

I don't know why "long gone" is controversial. There is a good timeline of the events that @Tr1x24  posted in the N'W thread using official, verified reports. 

If Tinyo was near the Kruger boundary on Sunday that is way outside his territory and far from the action that unfolded Mon-Wed. I've only seen one video of Nhenha and he was roaring over the weekend. I don't know anything about them being on a carcass. Being is eastern Mala Mala near the boundary is not at all relevant to the action that's going on on the other side of the Sand River between Avocas and N'W, and that's all I meant. 

Also I would like to wait for official reports because some of the stuff posted here, like "bloody footprints leading north" was wrong. That's not to say people are purposely misleading but things are changing at a rapid pace and we need to wait for actual verified facts. Someone mentioned naming sources and I get it-- sometimes source don't want to be named-- but that also means we can't trust every unnamed source either because there's no way for  us to fact check what's being shared.

It's information directly from a ranger so... It isn't false. That's just what the Mala Mala rangers saw. Who know what bloody tracks it was. Which is why I said it's safe to assume to Avocas were pushed back. The Nwaswitshaka do have wounds and we didn't exactly know where those came from. The reason long gone is controversial is because a Gowrie Male was roaring west of the property and one was seen east of their territory on a Buffalo kill. You saying that isn't close to their territory is also false because Bboys have been seen multiple times in that area on carcasses. Such as Nhenha and the Kambula on a giraffe carcass last year.

Weren't the Avocas seen without any scratches or signs of a fight after everything unfolded? I don't think the injuries on the N'ws came from an altercations with the Avocas, probably fighting each other over females.

(11-10-2021, 10:26 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I am especially curious about those reports of wounds on the N'was.
They sound way to severe to be just from fighting over mates. That's usually just some superficial scratches.
But if they didn't fight the Avoca's. Then who did they fight? Some random nomadic males?

(11-10-2021, 11:58 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Yes, but not to the point of limping, mauled backs and leaving bloodied tracks in 3 out of 4 lions. Otherwise they would have been goners a long time ago if they did that constantly.
More likely either some poor wandering animal, lion or otherwise winds up spotted with wounds. Or the wounds turn out to be not as bad as initially reported.  
Most likely the later.

(10-07-2021, 03:23 PM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-07-2021, 11:54 AM)Hairy tummy Wrote:

(10-07-2021, 11:42 AM)lionuk Wrote: A beautiful portrait of Dark Mane and one of Talamati's subadult males. They clearly have a great affection for each other. 

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He looks just like his father

(11-11-2021, 06:03 PM)kobe8jf1234 Wrote:

(10-07-2021, 03:23 PM)Mdz123 Wrote:

(10-07-2021, 11:54 AM)Hairy tummy Wrote:

(10-07-2021, 11:42 AM)lionuk Wrote: A beautiful portrait of Dark Mane and one of Talamati's subadult males. They clearly have a great affection for each other. 

*This image is copyright of its original author

He looks just like his father

he should try stick with 3 brothers better chance for survival 

And that subadult is also only slightly shorter then DM, and he is only 3 years old, so he will become a pretty big lion in the future, maybe surpassing DM’s size