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RE: Plains Camp Males - BA0701 - 10-09-2024
(10-09-2024, 02:21 AM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:(10-09-2024, 12:39 AM)MrLoesoe Wrote:Tough contest for sure, both top specimens who came from two of the most legendary coalitions ever tracked in Kruger(10-08-2024, 11:56 PM)Fenix123 Wrote: 1/2 Plains Camp Male
Credits to Michaels_wildlife_
Such a badass looking lion, maybe even more than ZigZag Mbiri although that's a tough contest. The scars around his eye give him such an impressive look.
But ZigZag now with his lip injury makes me think of a grizzly bear
Even before the injury, he is enormous, just the sheer size of his head and all wow
Its one of those lions that I would love to know the measurements
Makunga isnt too far behind and give it a couple more years and he will probably raise higher in people consideration including me
PS: everytime I say Makunga , Big Mak or whatever I get annoyed that his brother doesnt have a name and its just " the brother"
Agreed, I wish his brother had a name as well. When you say Big Mak, it makes me think of the lion that started it all, for me, and that is Big Makhulu, now we have another Big Mak, and both are/were enormous males, for sure.
RE: Plains Camp Males - Ngonya - 10-09-2024
(10-09-2024, 06:36 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Agreed, I wish his brother had a name as well. When you say Big Mak, it makes me think of the lion that started it all, for me, and that is Big Makhulu, now we have another Big Mak, and both are/were enormous males, for sure.I usually associate the name Big Mak with Makhulu too, not only hin but also his nicknamed father "Mak Senior", both impressive lions of the past. Their bloodline lives throught some lions in Sabi Sand still.
Idk whatelse his brother could be named as... Some people on Facebook were trying to nickname him Kasha or something, but im not sure that will stick.
RE: Plains Camp Males - BA0701 - 10-09-2024
(10-09-2024, 07:44 PM)Ngonya Wrote:(10-09-2024, 06:36 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Agreed, I wish his brother had a name as well. When you say Big Mak, it makes me think of the lion that started it all, for me, and that is Big Makhulu, now we have another Big Mak, and both are/were enormous males, for sure.I usually associate the name Big Mak with Makhulu too, not only hin but also his nicknamed father "Mak Senior", both impressive lions of the past. Their bloodline lives throught some lions in Sabi Sand still.
Idk whatelse his brother could be named as... Some people on Facebook were trying to nickname him Kasha or something, but im not sure that will stick.
My hope is that one of the reserves will finally give the little bro a name. From my understanding it was one of the reserves who gave Makunga his name.
RE: Plains Camp Males - Fenix123 - 10-10-2024
These two are the Plains Camps Males? I'm not very good at recognizing lions
Credits to chloelouisdavis_
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RE: Plains Camp Males - Ngonya - 10-10-2024
(10-10-2024, 03:34 AM)Fenix123 Wrote: These two are the Plains Camps Males? I'm not very good at recognizing lionsyes, them.
They move quite alot between the north and west.... And pretty quick too lol.
RE: Plains Camp Males - Fenix123 - 10-10-2024
1/2 Plains Camp Males
Credits to respectmusakhoza
RE: Plains Camp Males - Fenix123 - 10-11-2024
1/2 Plains Camp Males (the Photo was posted yesterday)
Credits to bushbaby_sam
RE: Plains Camp Males - Fenix123 - 10-14-2024
One of the Plains Camp males looking for his brother and ximungxe Pride in Dulini
Credits to neil_jenn
RE: Plains Camp Males - Fenix123 - 10-14-2024
Plains Camp male with one of the ximungxe cubs (they had a Buffalo kill nearby)
Credits to bushbaby_sam
RE: Plains Camp Males - Hairy tummy - 10-15-2024
RE: Plains Camp Males - Fenix123 - 10-15-2024
Plains Camp Male and ximungxe cub
Credits to Forsyth_imagery
RE: Plains Camp Males - Mwk85 - 10-16-2024
RE: Plains Camp Males - BA0701 - 10-16-2024
(10-16-2024, 12:18 AM)Mwk85 Wrote:
Incredible video, if that won't put a smile on your face, I don't know what to say.
RE: Plains Camp Males - Fenix123 - 10-17-2024
1/2 Plains Camp Male (It was posted yesterday)
Credits to respectmusakhoza
RE: Plains Camp Males - Mapokser - 10-17-2024
Something already discussed here on WF a few times, that I find interesting is what cubs means to male lions.
These recent PCM visits to the Tsalala pride reminded me of those discussions.
Like, what the Tsalala pride has to offer to the PCM? The female can't mate and isn't like they are visiting in hopes for easy meals, otherwise they'd visit the Manghenis instead as 3 females can bring bigger prey down, however they avoid them just like they avoid their other older cubs, the NK Breakaways.
We have also never seen them with Tsalala before, the mating period aside, they never showed up when she was pregnant or denning ( for all we know ).
But now they're showing up consistently ( at least for now ), could it be because of cubs? Could male lions to some degree have some instinct to go pay a visit to see if his small cubs are fine?
Of course every lion has its own personality, some more affectionate towards cubs, others not so much, and so on.
We know lions take over territories and prides mainly to have a space that belongs to them where they can hunt and control, as well as have females within the territory to mate and get free food. They enjoy their coalition partners company the most and mostly only seek females for food and mating, unless they are a solo male where the company of females is all they can get.
However for males like the PCM, there's no benefit in visiting the Tsalalas, there's nothing there for them beside, maybe, going to check on the cubs.
Obviously male lions abandon cubs and barely have any nurturing instincts towards cubs, but these cubs have to mean something to them, but to what degree?
They obviously know that killing cubs make the females go into estrus, but when they believe the cubs belong to them, they don't kill them. I remember a video of the S.Avocas trying to push a small cub off a kill but they were struggling hard because they weren't able to easily intimidate and chase the cub off, and since it looked like their instinct didn't allow them to attack the cub, they almost failed at pushing the cub away.
When you think about it, not hurting the cub seemed like an important thing for the S.Avoca male.
Obviously, these animals wouldn't be here today if their own fathers killed them, even solitary cats like leopards and tigers have documented interactions between male and cubs, and being social cats, it's natural that lions would have stronger bonds with cubs.
I wonder if to some degree the males can "understand" that the cubs are their "legacy". I remember Doctor Craig Packer speculating that some male lions may act "suicidal", charging at 3 other males alone for example, because they have an urge to pass on their genes and their time to do it is very limited so they may not want to get ousted in their prime no matter what.
Of course, such instances are rare and I'm skeptical if the existance of cubs makes males any more willing to defend a territory, but it's a possibility. For example I don't think the Mlowathi Mapogo fought so hard against the Majingilane in any way because they had cubs, I think they just didn't want to give away their territory and mating opportunities. But at the same time, would it be possible, maybe, for the likes of S.BDM to have put some more effort if they had a more established relationship with the Nkuhumas and a lot of cubs?
Another interesting thing is the ousting of subadult males, the male wants them out, but only chases them off, they don't seriously attack or try to kill them, why? I mean, again, if that wasn't the case, they'd go extinct, but that means that even the subadult son means something for the fathers, they don't want their sons in their territory, but won't threaten their lives, if an unrelated subadult shows up they'll kill him, but if their sons shows up, they'll only chase them off, and sometimes even tolerate them post-ousting, here and there, as we've seen many times, which makes me wonder how male lions sees their cubs, what the cubs means to them, their importance and so on.