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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Slayerd - 07-22-2021

(07-22-2021, 11:08 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(07-22-2021, 10:25 PM)Tonpa Wrote: LegendSafaris mentioned on their whatsapp group that they bumped into One bboy, one Kambula and the cubs. Three cubs were sighted

Tinyo was seen today with some Kambulas and cubs on MalaMala stream :



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Where did Mala Mala have this live?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-22-2021

(07-22-2021, 11:13 PM)Slayerd Wrote: Where did Mala Mala have this live?

Youtube.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Slayerd - 07-23-2021

(07-22-2021, 11:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(07-22-2021, 11:13 PM)Slayerd Wrote: Where did Mala Mala have this live?

Youtube.

Do you have the link?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-23-2021

They were having upload issues and the stream disconnected multiple times, which for some reason resulted in the streams not being uploaded as videos after they ended. Guess you have to select save or something at the end of a livestream?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-23-2021

Found this on a Chinese forum, an old newsletter detailing lion dynamics in MalaMala at the turn of the century 


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A lot of extinct prides ey

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - BA0701 - 07-23-2021

(07-23-2021, 03:48 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Found this on a Chinese forum, an old newsletter detailing lion dynamics in MalaMala at the turn of the century 


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LOL, you said turn of the century, I took it to mean 1900, was like nobody was following lions then. I feel old some days.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-23-2021

hahaha my bad

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-23-2021

Watching the MalaMala livestream, the guide ( I think Gareth Nuttall smith) mentions the avocas are seemingly hanging out more and more in the Gowrie males territory and bringing the Nkuhumas with them. They've brought the cubs into MalaMala now

Also talked about the cub killing, He mentioned one ranger saw a Avoca male from a distance with a cub in its mouth, they are unable the go and see what has happened as the location is where two Kambulas have given birth and so the sighting is closed off.








RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-23-2021

(07-23-2021, 01:37 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Watching the MalaMala livestream, the guide ( I think Gareth Nuttall smith) mentions the avocas are seemingly hanging out more and more in the Gowrie males territory and bringing the Nkuhumas with them. They've brought the cubs into MalaMala now

Blondie with impala kill in stream:


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Dont know exact location of Blondie, but prob near Main Camp or slightly north, because of signal.. Nkuhumas are further north on a kill.

All the way to the Main Camp is now N. Avocas territory, so when people see them there and say they are in Bboys territory, thats false, thats Avocas territory now..

Guide said he doesnt know where Mohawk is, but they found 1 Bboys and he is around 10 km south of this Blondie location, he doesnt know where other Bboy is.. This shows us how vast territory of Bboys is.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Potato - 07-23-2021

(07-23-2021, 01:37 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Watching the MalaMala livestream, the guide ( I think Gareth Nuttall smith) mentions the avocas are seemingly hanging out more and more in the Gowrie males territory and bringing the Nkuhumas with them. They've brought the cubs into MalaMala now

Also talked about the cub killing, He mentioned one ranger saw a Avoca male from a distance with a cub in its mouth, they are unable the go and see what has happened as the location is where two Kambulas have given birth and so the sighting is closed off.







It will be intresting to see further development of terrytorial dynamic between Nkuchuma and Kambula prides in current takeover of Birminghams territory by Avoca males. Even if Kambula pride wouldn't be fragmented they would have hard time in defending their territory from bigger Nkuchuma pride if Nkuchumas will decide to try to takeover those hunting grounds considering that Kambula sub adult probably will be chassed away by Avocas which will leave just 6 females of Kambula pride vs whole Nkuchuma pride.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-23-2021

(07-23-2021, 03:45 PM)Potato Wrote: It will be intresting to see further development of terrytorial dynamic between Nkuchuma and Kambula prides in current takeover of Birminghams territory by Avoca males. Even if Kambula pride wouldn't be fragmented they would have hard time in defending their territory from bigger Nkuchuma pride if Nkuchumas will decide to try to takeover those hunting grounds considering that Kambula sub adult probably will be chassed away by Avocas which will leave just 6 females of Kambula pride vs whole Nkuchuma pride.

Why would Nkuhuma pride leave their territory and invade Kambulas? No reason for that. 

They are now hanging further south only because they follow and hang in territory of their pride males, once N. Avocas completely abandon Nkuhumas, Nkuhumas wont be moving further south, even now, Nkuhumas where mostly seen on the very north border of MalaMala/Londolozi, in fact they hang there occasionaly since early 2020. 

Nkuhumas have 7 females, but 3 younger females mostly hang on their own now when they have cubs, older 4 are with 8/9 subadults and that gruop can be seen in MalaMala, 12 members are there atm in the north on a kill.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Potato - 07-23-2021

(07-23-2021, 03:59 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Why would Nkuhuma pride leave their territory and invade Kambulas? No reason for that. 
They already have done this when they abandoned Djuma and they can move even further south if they would consider Kambula's territory as better than the arena on which Nkuchumas are moving currently.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Potato - 07-23-2021

(07-23-2021, 01:57 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Guide said he doesnt know where Mohawk is, but they found 1 Bboys and he is around 10 km south of this Blondie location, he doesnt know where other Bboy is.. This shows us how vast territory of Bboys is.
Since Avocas are currently taking north-central Mala Mala (which is btw core of Kambula pride territory), Birminghams are down to just southern Londolozi and no pride under control. That is not a big territory at all, but the opposite of it.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 07-23-2021

A part of the kambula pride will likely follow the Birminghams, while the cubless lionesses will likely welcome the Avocas and abandon the Birminghams.
That is, if the Avocas actually claim the territory and not just abandon it again after a few days.

It seems neither side is interested in a fight. So with some luck this may turn into a long drawnout relative peacefull transition. And not the big clash and cubgenocide one lions are known for.
Either way. The Nkuhuma, Kambula pride and Birmingham boys will likely be the losers of the conflict.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-23-2021

Last surviving Mhangeni cubs of the 2021 litters (that we know of)