WildFact
Lions of Sabi Sands - Printable Version

+- WildFact (https://wildfact.com/forum)
+-- Forum: Information Section (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-information-section)
+--- Forum: Terrestrial Wild Animals (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-terrestrial-wild-animals)
+---- Forum: Wild Cats (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-wild-cats)
+----- Forum: Lion (https://wildfact.com/forum/forum-lion)
+----- Thread: Lions of Sabi Sands (/topic-lions-of-sabi-sands)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-12-2021

Btw, what event caused the formation of the Kambula pride? Why did the lionesses go off on their own?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-12-2021

(07-12-2021, 05:09 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Btw, what event caused the formation of the Kambula pride? Why did the lionesses go off on their own?

Too big of a pride and new generation of cubs where starting to be born, something similar is happening now in Kambula pride aswell, which will lead to forming another breakeaway pride. .

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 07-13-2021

When there are too many lionesses hunting a single wildebeast. There is too little meat to go around. 
So a group of lionesses may decide that they are better of hunting without the rest so they get more meat. So if they are succesfull they see less and less reason to join up with the main pride again. The bonds slowly colder and once cubs are born. There no longer is any trust etcetera.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-13-2021

Smudge nosed Kruger male/Torchwood pride male filmed in Kruger, date unknown but prob not recent :

Photo Credit : Hanno Erasmus


*This image is copyright of its original author


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-13-2021

Joy jayden at londolozi saw the Mhangenis today, unfortunately only 1 cub and the older cub were sighted

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-13-2021

(07-13-2021, 07:24 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Joy jayden at londolozi saw the Mhangenis today, unfortunately only 1 cub and the older cub were sighted

Yea not good news, it seems they lost another small cub since the last time they where seen, and i think its obiviously now that other cubs are not with other lioness..

Losing cubs will put females back into estrus, and they will seek males for mating, that might be danger for that older cub, who has the best chances to survive..

Idk what it is with Mhanghenis, but since OM was with them they lost so many cubs (and we all know Mhangeni 12 story even before) its almost unbelievable, and i dont think OM's demise was the reason why they lost these recent cubs also.. I think females are just too careless..

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Cath2020 - 07-13-2021

I read that they are too often wandering around, always on the move, so you can imagine the little cubs have a hard time keeping up! I don't think it's just the males that are killing them, no, it's mostly that they ultimately get carelessly left behind.  The main culprits are the lead lionesses themselves. Their entire first generation survived only thanks to 4 males that were in their prime, protecting the area.  Now, we can see how they try to raise cubs on their own, and they are sorely lacking...  Even with the OM, they seemed restless when he was gone.  He was the only male, so no lion could stay behind to protect the cubs while he went off patrolling.  

Are there still cubs alive from the daughter of the Majingelanes? Their third generation cub was only Tinya, she should be approaching breeding age later this year I'm thinking.... Wasn't she born early or mid 2018?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 07-13-2021

Lions move around a lot. They have to keep up with the herds and avoid hyenas or other lions.
Cubs are expected to keep or catch up as the pride can not put itself at risk just to help one of them. Its how it goes for lions.

The Mhangeni are kind of in a bad spot that's well traversed by nomadic lions and borders a lot of rival groups. They already lost a lot of the cubs to an attack of the Nwas earlier this year. During which they had little choice than to flee and hope the cubs kept up. 
The Othawa male already wasn't a good defence for the pride to begin with and now he is gone, their territory is swarmed by new coalitions and prides making things even harder.
So I don't think that their loss of cubs is that surprising. Especially considering cubs in general have a mortality rate of 80% or so. 

I think its mostly that people are trying to push a narrative on that pride of being cold hearted bad mothers. But I don't really see them doing anything much different from other prides. And all things considered they must be doing something right seeing they in numbers are one of the larger prides in Sabi Sands.


With some luck, the surviving cubs are all female and now have a better chance. Now the pride can focus on them instead of the much younger and inexperienced ones.
There was a report of one of them having a new litter though?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - lionuk - 07-13-2021

That's really sad about the cubs, does that mean the cub that was born in January didn't survive? Mhangeni Pride has only one cub from previous coalition that has managed to survive beyond 2 years old and that is Tinya. Let's hope that oldest cub, a female, of Othawa Male can emulate that and keep Mhangeni Pride from diminishing in the future.  

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-13-2021

Yeah really not looking for the remaining cubs...

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Potato - 07-13-2021

Close capture with a young Nkuhuma male.


*This image is copyright of its original author

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 07-14-2021

Btw, Dark Mane still part of the N. Avoca coalition, yay or nay?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Calvitoo - 07-14-2021

(07-14-2021, 12:06 AM)Tonpa Wrote: Btw, Dark Mane still part of the N. Avoca coalition, yay or nay?

yes, but for now the Mohawk won't let him get close to them, maybe later if the two Northern Avocas can't defeat the BBoys, the Mohawk will turn to Dark Mane.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 07-14-2021

Fallouts like these usually don't happen overnight.
But yeah, if things stay the way they are, he is definitely on the way out. 
Eventually he wont be seen as anything other than another rival male and the Talamati would be wise not to trust him to defend them from his brothers. 

Functually the two are pretty much already operating as two separate coalitions anyway.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 07-14-2021

(07-14-2021, 12:59 AM)Calvitoo Wrote: yes, but for now the Mohawk won't let him get close to them, maybe later if the two Northern Avocas can't defeat the BBoys, the Mohawk will turn to Dark Mane.

Agree with @Duco Ndona, last time DM and his brothers operated as coalition was late 2019, which is quite a long time in lions worlds, they might not be rivals, but they definitely are not operating as coalition anymore..

Dont know what future holds, but until both gruops are dominant i dont see them reunite anytime soon, althrough death of Mohawk or Blondie might force the left male to reunite with DM, probably only scenario for the reunion sadly..