(07-30-2024, 10:22 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(07-30-2024, 09:59 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Diff said it on his instagram post, he was asked if they were 10 cubs and he replied "9".

Watched several times and I count 10 in the video posted by Omega.   Give it a look please.

(07-31-2024, 07:22 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: I counted 9 overall in the clip, plus there could be an adult or two in it.

(07-31-2024, 07:33 PM)Vengeous Wrote:

(07-31-2024, 07:22 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: I counted 9 overall in the clip, plus there could be an adult or two in it.

I have rewatched the clip 3 times, and each time I count 10 (excluding the 3 females)... think it's a bit tedious to break it down, but after cubs 6 and 7 appear, another one appears from the right, followed by 2 more behind (who are following the same path of the first 7). I appreciate Omega's efforts in documenting this, but in the video I clearly see 10.

(08-01-2024, 07:49 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: Okay, are you sure they are all the subs? Not an adult among those?  Even if so, doesn't mean one is gone or anything. Hard to discern without pausing video and analysing it.

*This image is copyright of its original author

(08-02-2024, 05:52 PM)Mapokser Wrote: One of the cubs has a huuuge bump/lump/growth or whatever it is.

Edit: Ok I did some research, first of I found that the cubs had this thing on their elbows for a long time now, here 2 of the cubs with it in January:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Some of them have smaller lumps, other bigger lumps, some don't have it at all.

Researching the causes of it, I found a paper associating TB to elbow hygromas:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Source: https://repository.up.ac.za/bitstream/handle/2263/56278/Viljoen_Mycobacterium_2015.pdf;jsessionid=46DA87CE11A8F6A8DA0BA5A41D5BD9E1?sequence=1

But it associates it to various degrees of hindlimb atrophy and lameness ( stuff we see with Lambile, Tumbelas, Nkhulus ), it doesn't match the cubs that have elbow hygromas in their forelimbs and they don't limp at all.

Another one though says that a subadult lion had 3 elbow hygromas believed to be caused by mycobacterium bovis:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Only one among many others that also tested positive.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16553146/

What I found more similar was this, an elbow hygroma in a dog:

*This image is copyright of its original author

The article describes it as:

The usual patient for this condition is a short-haired large breed dog, usually of an adolescent age, brought to the veterinarian for assessment of a fluid-filled swelling at the point of one or both elbows. The swelling is generally non-painful but can be quite bulbous and bizarre-looking.

It says it doesn't affect the animal if it is an uncomplicated hygroma:

*This image is copyright of its original author

It can get infected and become a complicated hygroma where surgical drainage becomes necessary:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Source: https://www.marvistavet.com/elbow-hygroma.pml

However, since these cubs have been living normally with those things for more than half a year while displaying no signs of physical weaknesses I think they have uncomplicated hygromas.

Edit²:

The Makhulu Mapogo, one of the forefathers of the pride, also had a big elbow lump as a subadult:

*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Still he grew up to be one of the healthiest lions out there, and very strong, so possibily these things on the cubs can go away and/or not affect their lives.

(08-05-2024, 06:43 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Possibly up to 3 or more cubs lost because Manghenis were trying to flee from Tumbela, something that would have never happened if PCM were doing their job.