B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India

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RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Rage2277 - 04-14-2014

kabini male april 2014

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RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Pckts - 04-14-2014

Check out the shoulder height on these wild amurs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTGRtwV1RII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtriwH-8-8s

Both are quite tall as well.
Tigers have longer necks and a head that hangs low, they crouch more often and they have more massive limbs. All of this is going to give the impression of a "shorter animal" but that is why we only go off of data. Obviously both cats are just about equal in shoulder height.

T42 is a really nice looking male. Wonder if he will ever cross paths with T24?

RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - peter - 04-14-2014

1 - THE DIFFERENCE IN SIZE BETWEEN YOUNG ADULTS AND PRIME ANIMALS IN WILD INDIAN MALE TIGERS

Everything discussed in the thread started by Guate on Dunbar Brander, the Maharajah of Cooch Behar and Hewett regarding size seems to be confirmed by the photographes posted in this thread. Young male tigers, although similar in length to adult males, lack in bulk.

Males enter their prime between 4-6 years of age and lose muscle when they reach 12-15 years. Just before death, they often are thin as a rail. There are reliable reports on males well over 15 and even 20 years in good health a century ago (referring to Corbett, Wiele and a few others), but wild tigers today very seldom exceed 15-17 years of age. Most of them seem to be females.

2 - NORTHERN INDIA AND NEPAL

This is the table I posted in the thread mentioned above. It's an overview of all male tigers mentioned by Sir John Hewett in his book 'Jungle Trails in Northern India'. Notice the remarkable difference in weight between long male tigers (a2) and those about 6 inches shorter (a1).

The remarkable difference in weight between both groups could be a result of age. The table also, although up to a degree, confirms Nepal tigers © were (and probably still are) longer than tigers from northern India (a1 and a2). If the correlation between total length, age and bulk in both is similar (which is very likely), we could say Nepal tigers probably are the longest and heaviest wild big cats today.

The table suggests adult males in their prime could be 480-500 pounds (possibly 520 pounds in Nepal) in northern India. An average, however, has young adults, prime animals, old animals and, to quote Miquelle regarding wild Amur tigers, 'problem animals'. Hewett's sample is a little small and probably incorrect (many heavy animals could not be weighed), but my take is 450-460 pounds for all adult males could be close to the mark. About 20-30 pounds heavier than today's wild male Amur tigers, that is.

The two 600-pound Chitwan male tigers weighed by Sunquist and Dinerstein a few decades ago are not typical for all wild male tigers in these regions. Animals over 550 pounds empty were and still are few and far between. However. The two Nepal tigers confirm wild male tigers can get to 550 and even 600 pounds in good conditions.

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3 - YOUNG ADULT MALE TADOBA

This is a youngish male tiger. Although quite bulky, the teeth confirm he has some growing ahead of him. Probably about 3 years of age or a little over:

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4 - PRIME MALE TIGER CENTRAL INDIA

This is a male tiger in his prime (Hairyfoot, Central India). Big in every way:

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5 - VERY OLD MALE TIGER CENTRAL INDIA

This is Charger just before his death. Notice the length of his body and legs and the lack of muscles. He also was almost blind and, therefore, unable to fend for himself :

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RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Pckts - 04-14-2014

Peter, check out the vid of the old siberian who is wondering the road. He is tall and skinny just like you said. When they are young or old they get very slim for obvious reasons (new to hunting alone and no territory or to old to make a large kill) but once they reach 5-9 they are prime specimans and will either own a territory or died trying.

The table on length correalating to body size also gives credince to my theory of chest girth.
Lion siders like to use the fact that lions have slightly larger chest girths at the same weight or lenght. But if a tiger is still not full grown at the same weight or length as a lion, it will of course still not be as filled out. Its hard for a animal to maintain mass if it is still getting taller. Hence why you see so many tall and skinny HS basketball players who don't fill out until they stop growing. So if the same rules apply, a tigers chest girth will not reach its full potential until the tiger is full grown. Which means the tiger usually needs to still grow another 4-6'' in body length before it can really start putting on the girth. I wonder if limb girth is also correalated with age and chest size?

(04-12-2014, 09:00 AM)'Vinod' Wrote: Tiger T28 (Sitara), another tall specimen

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(04-14-2014, 03:57 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:
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(04-13-2014, 10:14 PM)'Apollo' Wrote:
(04-13-2014, 09:52 PM)'Rage2277' Wrote: Raja bandipur boss march 2014

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I think Raja got injured and having some infection on his right forearm elbow.

Yeah, I noticed this as well. Was thinking the same when I saw the picture.

I wish he gets well soon.

Me to. I doubt a elbow infection is going to be able to stop this tiger for long.

RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - GuateGojira - 04-14-2014

(04-14-2014, 03:05 PM)'Rage2277' Wrote: Somanshu son of Bamera and Vijaya april 2014

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This is a perfect example of a 2-3 years old male of 160-170 kg. That is why I think that those small males of this weight should NOT be included in the samples of Cooch Behar, Hewett and Brander, because they are not fully grow and are clearly underweight. Tigers in this time of they life are beginning they solitary wanderings and some of them find a hard life, although they already reach almost adult body lengths. The male T-104 captured in Nepal by Dr Sunquist was a subadult of 19 to 28 months old that weighed only 159 kg but already had a length of 289 cm. So, body length is not evidence of great age, while weight, at some degree, seems more reliable. However, not to forget that males in bad shape do weight less than normal (remember the adult Amur tigers that weighed less than 150 kg because they had several health problems).

I think that the range of 175-260 kg for adult male tigers, stated by Karanth (2003) is the most reliable. A male >3 years old in good shape most not weight less than that, although there are some subadult males that weighed up to 450 lb (204 kg).

Check the last post of peter here too, he put it very clear.

RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Pckts - 04-15-2014

289cm got s 28mth old tiger means it still most likely has more length to go. If you notice most of the maximum body weights usually come with maximum body lengths as well. Exceptions can happen but from what I have seen, it seems to be most common.

RE: Big Kaziranga Tiger - Pckts - 04-15-2014

Good lord, I cannot believe they are cubs!

Every Kaziranga tiger photographed from KZT 001- KZT 118
http://aaranyak.org/pdfs/KazirangaTigerReport_2009-2011_web.pdf

RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Pckts - 04-15-2014

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Bamera Male

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Bamera again

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Bamera on the road

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Mukunda

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Gabbar

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Raja

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One of Raja's son reaching maturiy - in this picture he was stalking a herd of Gaur

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Mukunda again

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Star male

Ustaad Male (means Boss)
He is the main ruler of Ranthambhore if I am not mistaken

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one of gowri and raja's sons the same battle scarred one

The large Katezari Male - check out the size of his paws in the picture below

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Raja showing off his canines

RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Rage2277 - 04-15-2014

40 month old subadult cub of bud buddi female of the kilsi zone kanha april 2014

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same subadult again

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Wagdoh jan 2014 in buffer zone

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RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Rage2277 - 04-15-2014

Corbett tigress april2014

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RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Pckts - 04-15-2014

Waghdoh looking massive as always and doesn't have a care in the world. haha

RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Apollo - 04-16-2014

(04-14-2014, 10:05 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: Check out the shoulder height on these wild amurs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTGRtwV1RII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtriwH-8-8s

Both are quite tall as well.
Tigers have longer necks and a head that hangs low, they crouch more often and they have more massive limbs. All of this is going to give the impression of a "shorter animal" but that is why we only go off of data. Obviously both cats are just about equal in shoulder height.

The first video was a female amur and she is very tall.
The second video is a male.
I think both these animals were affected by Canine Distemper virus.

RE: B2 and Other Great Tiger Pics from India - Apollo - 04-16-2014

[align=-webkit-center]Wakeetha/Banbehi Female at the edge of her territory near chuva area finding the presence of Tulsi/Milchani female[/align]

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[align=-webkit-center]Big male tiger from Corbett NP[/align]

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[align=-webkit-center]Pandharpavni Tigress( Maya !!!)[/align]

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Tigress from Tadoba

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Tigress from Bandipur

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Maya marking tree

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Tigrees from Tadoba

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Waghdoh

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Tigress T19

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Jai who is now the ruler of Umred-Karhandla WLS has become the dominant male of UK wls.. This image was taken at Nagzira WLS couple of years back when he was sub-adult tiger in his learning days..