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RE: Othawa Pride - Horizon - 11-13-2022
We need 24/7 cameras on these three.
RE: Othawa Pride - BorntobeWild - 11-13-2022
I am still mourning the loss of Sassy. I can't stop thinking about what made her die out so quickly. I agree with @1ofcourage and @Duco Ndona. Either she got brain damage or a wound infection or both, otherwise, there was no reason that she could move around perfectly yet not be able to hunt. Still, hope the game reserve one day can officially announce the causes of her death.
RE: Othawa Pride - Tr1x24 - 11-13-2022
(11-13-2022, 05:51 PM)sundarbans Wrote: Does that mean we are suspecting Sassy was mauled fatally by her own daughter?
Yes, lions dont care that much of bloodlines, its all about what current group you belong. Othawas rejected Gingerella when they had new cubs with Tumbelas, at that point Gingerella and Othawas are direct competition and enemies.
RE: Othawa Pride - criollo2mil - 11-15-2022
Sharing this letter which confirms there was indeed INTERVENTION
RIP Sassy.
RE: Othawa Pride - Tonpa - 11-15-2022
Gotta say, contacting the NSPCA is an interesting way to get around the silence of the local guides.
I do wonder what the full extent of her injuries were. In 2011 a female leopard Mabirri was euthanised in the western sector after she was no longer able to hunt due to a warthog slicing her paw open.
RE: Othawa Pride - BorntobeWild - 11-15-2022
(11-15-2022, 06:27 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Sharing this letter which confirms there was indeed INTERVENTION
RIP Sassy.
Thank you for sharing the information.
R.I.P Sassy..
Glad to know they are monitoring the three youngsters.
RE: Othawa Pride - Duco Ndona - 11-15-2022
Not sure what to think of this.
A lot of the lions that the fandom cried should have been euthanized ended up making full recoveries or showed themselves to be perfectly capable of living with their condition.
I fear this sets a very bad president in Sabi Sands. Especially if this means they are going to intervene by helping these animals.
RE: Othawa Pride - BorntobeWild - 11-15-2022
(11-15-2022, 07:12 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Not sure what to think of this.
A lot of the lions that the fandom cried should have been euthanized ended up making full recoveries or showed themselves to be perfectly capable of living with their condition.
I fear this sets a very bad president in Sabi Sands. Especially if this means they are going to intervene by helping these animals.
We can only hope that they made full estimations before they put the animals to sleep. You gotta trust somebody and I am sure they followed the principles.
RE: Othawa Pride - Tr1x24 - 11-15-2022
(11-15-2022, 07:12 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Not sure what to think of this.
A lot of the lions that the fandom cried should have been euthanized ended up making full recoveries or showed themselves to be perfectly capable of living with their condition.
I fear this sets a very bad president in Sabi Sands. Especially if this means they are going to intervene by helping these animals.
Euthanization is not unusual in Sabi Sands and similar reserves, but its only made when they are 100% sure that animal will die.
If i remember correctly, Ginger Matimba was also euthanized, aswell as Junior Matimba.
They prob euthanize all animals they find who are dying.
This is not bad, as there is no need for animal to suffer more, and you are not messing with nature, as that animal would die anyways.
RE: Othawa Pride - 1ofCourage - 11-15-2022
She had no help, no back up, no defense coming. I think there were more attacks than were seen and she was a sitting duck for more.
Everything changed so quickly! Sassy couldn’t get away from 3 male and two female lions on the attack while healing and providing for herself and the cubs. And then there were the PC males and hyenas, too, always lurking.
Sassy beat the odds and survived, but could do no more for herself.
Just one helper and I think she would have made it.
RE: Othawa Pride - Duco Ndona - 11-15-2022
Yes, I am aware they do that. Its the role of public pressure in this case that worries me.
RE: Othawa Pride - criollo2mil - 11-15-2022
(11-15-2022, 08:42 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Yes, I am aware they do that. Its the role of public pressure in this case that worries me.
I don't think this was the "Action" the public was clamoring for. public pressure has always existed....this is not new or unusual.
there was actually more public clamor and pressure regarding both Tumbelas than i ever saw of Sassy (her situation was more sudden/shorter and likely uber critical)
RE: Othawa Pride - Duco Ndona - 11-16-2022
Its the first time I know of animal protection groups gotten involved though. This has been brewing for a while now and has only gotten worse recently. I think Sassy was just the proverbial drip.
RE: Othawa Pride - criollo2mil - 11-17-2022
The Othowas…date taken is unknown. Posted 14 Nov
RE: Othawa Pride - Maghreb - 11-18-2022
(11-09-2022, 01:54 AM)Tr1x24 Well we can look at the example of the old Castleton Pride, whose name was changed, based on the area they were most seen. The Ravenscourt and Tsalala females that joined the pride were eventually considered as Ximhungwe lionesses, with their names being "Ravenscourt female" and "Queen". I think the fact that the Ximungwe lioness accepted Gingerella, may leave a door open for another solo female to join one day. Wrote:(11-09-2022, 12:54 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Now the fate of the pride lies in the paws of just three subadults. Just like the Ximhungwe pride before them.
Well, now the question raises, about topic which was in discussed with @Potato not long ago.
And that is, what happens with Gingerella and Othawa name now, if Othawas are gone (yea i know, 3 subs are still alive, but yea, odds are against them).
Gingerella is now "added" to Ximhungwe pride, but she is the "heir" and "blood" of Othawa name,regardless if she was outcast.
I had no problem with Gingerella being added under Ximhungwe name as long as "original" Othawa pride exist, aswell as Ximhungwe female and her pot offspring in future.
But potential demise of original Othawa pride change these things, as both Ximhungwe and Gingerella would be last of their prides, so i dont think they should go only under Ximhungwe name.