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RE: Othawa Pride - sik94 - 11-10-2022
(11-09-2022, 10:13 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: So, each kill they make now has to feed four lions rather than three or one while securing food at that age is already a challenge. To compensate they would either need to go after bigger game which they aren't ready for. Take more risks or ramp up the hunting frequency and burn more energy. Which isn't ideal.
An experienced lioness would be a god send for those 3 subs. The more mouths to feed argument doesn't matter when you can't catch anything. An older lioness would take 25% of the food and provide 90% of the food for all 4, there are literally no downsides to it.
(11-09-2022, 10:13 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: The issue is that since they will be hunting together, they won't be hunting more than they did separately.
I don't understand this point. They will hunt when they're hungry, and their success rate would probably be 5x higher if they had someone who actually can hunt with them. Their amateur hunting attempts are only gonna keep them afloat for so long, a week long run of unsuccessful hunts is all it'll take to weaken them and it's all downhill from there.
RE: Othawa Pride - afortich - 11-10-2022
(11-10-2022, 03:41 AM)sik94 Wrote:(11-09-2022, 10:13 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: So, each kill they make now has to feed four lions rather than three or one while securing food at that age is already a challenge. To compensate they would either need to go after bigger game which they aren't ready for. Take more risks or ramp up the hunting frequency and burn more energy. Which isn't ideal.
An experienced lioness would be a god send for those 3 subs. The more mouths to feed argument doesn't matter when you can't catch anything. An older lioness would take 25% of the food and provide 90% of the food for all 4, there are literally no downsides to it.
(11-09-2022, 10:13 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: The issue is that since they will be hunting together, they won't be hunting more than they did separately.
I don't understand this point. They will hunt when they're hungry, and their success rate would probably be 5x higher if they had someone who actually can hunt with them. Their amateur hunting attempts are only gonna keep them afloat for so long, a week long run of unsuccessful hunts is all it'll take to weaken them and it's all downhill from there.
I agree more with your position my friend @sik94.
RE: Othawa Pride - Duco Ndona - 11-10-2022
The downside is that the experienced lioness now has less food than she has in her own.
Just throwing an experienced lioness in a group does not just suddenly level up the entire group.
Lions cant communicate like we do. The Tsalala lioness wouldnt just take charge and put the rest through hunting school quickly. Hunting strategies would have to be adjusted on the field as they hunt and learn from every failed hunt.
Having an experienced lioness there doesnt matter if she cant catch anything due to mistakes of her hunting companions. And if she does catch anything, it remains to be seen how charitable she will be to three lionesses she just met and has no emotional attachment too. So she will just leave.
Which is why its important for the subs to develop their skills themselves first. So they have something to offer to potential partnerships.
RE: Othawa Pride - criollo2mil - 11-10-2022
The Othowa Pride 3
RE: Othawa Pride - criollo2mil - 11-10-2022
More Othowas good news
RE: Othawa Pride - afortich - 11-10-2022
(11-10-2022, 08:32 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: More Othowas good news
Credit: Dulini and Elliott Katz
Great news for these girls!!
RE: Othawa Pride - sundarbans - 11-11-2022
Is there any concrete reason why Sassy lost condition so quickly and passed away? She always used to be excellent condition and maintained that even when she had to take care of 4 subs when the Tumbelas invaded. What happened this time?
RE: Othawa Pride - Tr1x24 - 11-11-2022
(11-11-2022, 06:23 PM)sundarbans Wrote: Is there any concrete reason why Sassy lost condition so quickly and passed away? She always used to be excellent condition and maintained that even when she had to take care of 4 subs when the Tumbelas invaded. What happened this time?
She was attacked and mauled 2 times in a very short span of time. After Ximhungwe/Gingerella attack, she abandoned subs and started to lose condition, also stress of all of this took its tool.
RE: Othawa Pride - criollo2mil - 11-11-2022
A pictorial Timeline of the events of the past six weeks of the siege on the Othowa Pride
RE: Othawa Pride - Cath2020 - 11-12-2022
(11-11-2022, 06:23 PM)sundarbans Wrote: Is there any concrete reason why Sassy lost condition so quickly and passed away? She always used to be excellent condition and maintained that even when she had to take care of 4 subs when the Tumbelas invaded. What happened this time?
From the timeline provide, she was attacked at least twice in no more than a 15 days time span....but probably at least three times because the post about the 'first' attack sounded like it happened yet again. Basically it's hard for a lone lioness to recover from a minimum of three back to back attacks because there are no pride members to help feed her in her weakened state. If she had at least another member around, who knows.... We didn't see how severe they were either. They were most likely very brutal ones....two by male coalitions and then the final attack from the adult lionesses.
RE: Othawa Pride - Duco Ndona - 11-12-2022
When the Tumbellas invaded, the pridequickly got on good terms with them and held a considerable territory with nearly no competition.she could run, feolic and roar all she wanted with nearly no negative consequences.
Now, she was a lone fugitive among hostile lions that took her land. Any move she made she had to worry about attracting her enemies. Hunting is a noisy activity so a lot of time ahe had to decide against it to avoid a fight. Other times its probably what got her in trouble and she had to abandon kills or fight. Eventually the wounds and lack of food added up to a point she no longer could recover from.
It is possible that in her weakened state she developed sicknesses like sepsis aswell. Which can also kill an animal pretty fast.
RE: Othawa Pride - sundarbans - 11-13-2022
The last of the attacks that have been mentioned are said to be carried out by the Ximungwes. Does that mean we are suspecting Sassy was mauled fatally by her own daughter?
RE: Othawa Pride - Duco Ndona - 11-13-2022
Most likely Sassy died later due to starvation and exposure etc and not directly in the claws and teeth of another lion.
But yeah, if Gingerella participated in the skirmishes, she would be indirectly responsible for the death of her own mother
RE: Othawa Pride - criollo2mil - 11-13-2022
(11-13-2022, 05:51 PM)sundarbans Wrote: The last of the attacks that have been mentioned are said to be carried out by the Ximungwes. Does that mean we are suspecting Sassy was mauled fatally by her own daughter?
Yes, based on reports from rangers. Both ximunghwe lionesses mauled her.
RE: Othawa Pride - criollo2mil - 11-13-2022
The Othowa 3
Credit - Ana C Hagel