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RE: Big cat and Bear tale - sanjay - 02-09-2024
Thread is open again. Remember the rule and don't fight. You may be banned permanently.
RE: Big cat and Bear tale - Apex Titan - 03-12-2024
Referring to this account:
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In addition to the eyewitness Arun Kumar who said this was a fully-grown adult sloth bear killed. Other eyewitnesses who were 5 meters away (very close) from this tiger killing the bear, also said the bear was an adult:
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RE: Big cat and Bear tale - Apex Titan - 03-19-2024
Sloth bear attacks: regional differences and safety messaging
Bear safety messaging is based on bear behaviors that are both intrinsic and extrinsic to the species. For example, it is known that sloth bears, irrespective of location, have an innate defensive-aggressive response to surprise (sudden) encounters. This intrinsic response is likely due to having co-evolved with tigers, a formidable predator which opportunistically prey on sloth bears.
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Sloth bears do not have many predators and while a cub or very young bear may be at risk from leopards (Panthera pardus) or wolves (Canis lupes pallipes), the only natural predator of adult sloth bears is the Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris tigris). Tiger scat studies revealed that sloth bears can comprise up to 2% of their diet.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-07974-y#:~:text=On%20the%20Deccan%20Plateau%20and,and%20crop%20harvests%20have%20ended
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359141739_Sloth_bear_attacks_regional_differences_and_safety_messaging
Tiger and sloth bear interactions in Bandhavgarh National Park
The reason for the sloth bears high aggression, is because they have to contend with tigers and leopards, especially tigers who prey on even large adult sloth bears:
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Wildlife biologist Tahir Ali Rather, who studied tiger and sloth bear relations around Bandhavgarh, observed that tigers harass and kill sloth bears. Mother sloth bears do not feel safe for their cubs if tigers are present in the same habitat.
Biologist Tahir also found that in Bandhavgarh, the bullying tigers had pushed the sloth bears into the fragmented edges of the protected area and the buffer zones close to human settlements:
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https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Eight_Bears_Mythic_Past_and_Imperiled_Fu/MQWUEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=tiger+eating+a+sloth+bear&pg=PT42&printsec=frontcover
In some areas and reserves, sloth bears are often killed and eaten by tigers. Tiger conservationist & biologist, Dr Raghu Chundawat observed that tigers in Panna, regularly killed and ate sloth bears:
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RE: Big cat and Bear tale - Apex Titan - 04-04-2024
Tiger hunting and chasing an adult male sloth bear:
RE: Big cat and Bear tale - Apex Titan - 05-01-2024
An Amur tiger and a male Himalayan black bear were both found dead next to a fallen electric power line support in the Pozharsky district of Primorsky Krai. Experts like Sergey Aramilev and the hunting department suggest that the tiger was hunting the bear, the bear running away from the tiger, climbed the power line pole to escape from the tiger, which caused it to collapse and electrocute both animals.
Another theory is the tiger may have died from other reasons like illness, and the bear, as a scavenger, came to check the carcass and was electrocuted. But this scenario is very unlikely, as a bear would definitely be aware of an electric power line fence. Most likely, out of fear and panic, the bear desperately tried to escape from the pursuing tiger, climbed the power line pole, it collapsed and electrocuted and killed both animals.
Anyway, the dead tiger and bear will be sent for further examination, where the cause of death will be determined.
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https://www.vesti.ru/article/3928727
https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/20681261
https://ren.tv/news/v-rossii/1215210-tela-amurskogo-tigra-i-medvedia-nashli-vozle-upavshei-opory-lep-v-primore
RE: Big cat and Bear tale - sanjay - 05-22-2024
In a recent video, we can see Ussuri bear chasing Siberian Tigress from the carcass.
RE: Big cat and Bear tale - Apex Titan - 05-22-2024
(05-22-2024, 08:30 AM)sanjay Wrote: In a recent video, we can see Ussuri bear chasing Siberian Tigress from the carcass.
That was the tigress Severina who was chased away by an adult male Himalayan black bear, not an Ussuri brown bear. She had already been feeding on the carcass for a couple of hours prior to being chased away by the hungry bear, so she was full.
But I don't think that was her kill, at the end of the video, after the birds, bears and tigress Severina were done feeding on the kill, the male tiger 'Khan' comes, claims the carcass and takes it away. So I think all those animals were scavenging on the male tiger's kill after he had left the vicinity, hence why he moved his kill to another place, as tigers usually do when they know scavengers have been feeding on their kill.
At 1:33 in the video, something scares away the brown bear from the carcass. Tiger returning to his kill?
This video was recorded in the Sikhote-Alin Reserve.
RE: Big cat and Bear tale - Apex Titan - 06-12-2024
(05-01-2024, 05:33 PM)Apex Titan Wrote: An Amur tiger and a male Himalayan black bear were both found dead next to a fallen electric power line support in the Pozharsky district of Primorsky Krai. Experts like Sergey Aramilev and the hunting department suggest that the tiger was hunting the bear, the bear running away from the tiger, climbed the power line pole to escape from the tiger, which caused it to collapse and electrocute both animals.
Another theory is the tiger may have died from other reasons like illness, and the bear, as a scavenger, came to check the carcass and was electrocuted. But this scenario is very unlikely, as a bear would definitely be aware of an electric power line fence. Most likely, out of fear and panic, the bear desperately tried to escape from the pursuing tiger, climbed the power line pole, it collapsed and electrocuted and killed both animals.
Anyway, the dead tiger and bear will be sent for further examination, where the cause of death will be determined.
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https://www.vesti.ru/article/3928727
https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/20681261
https://ren.tv/news/v-rossii/1215210-tela-amurskogo-tigra-i-medvedia-nashli-vozle-upavshei-opory-lep-v-primore
Follow-up reports a month later after further examination, which also confirms my theory.
The tiger was hunting the bear, the bear trying to escape from the tiger, climbed onto the power line support, and due to the bear's weight, it collapsed and electrocuted both animals.
A tiger died a terrible death while hunting a bear in Primorye
“An autopsy of the tiger confirmed that death was due to electric shock. Thus, the first version of what happened was confirmed. The tiger was hunting the bear and drove it onto a support, which collapsed and hit both of them with a high-voltage discharge,” Aramilev said.
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https://www.amur.life/news/2024/05/30/strashnoy-smertyu-pogib-tigr-ohotivshiysya-na-medvedya-v-primore
https://www.dv.kp.ru/daily/27612/4938471/
"Amur tiger hunts Himalayan bear ends in tragedy for both hunter and victim. Extremely unusual death and coincidence."
"According to experts, the Amur tiger chased the bear, driving it onto a pole with electric wires. The bear's weight was too heavy for the wooden support, and it sagged, after which it fell to the ground with the wires already torn off. The picture would have been spectacular, if not for the element of tragedy."
"As a result of a falling support and broken wires, both animals died from a powerful electric shock. This is proven by burn marks on their bodies."
https://www.ohotniki.ru/hunting/article/2024/05/30/670398-dva-trupa-u-stolba-v-primore-tigr-zagnal-medvedya-na-oporu-lep.html
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RE: Big cat and Bear tale - Apex Titan - 07-01-2024
Young male tiger 'Shankar' easily kills an adult sloth bear:
RE: Big cat and Bear tale - book88 - 12-09-2024
@peter @Apex Titan
A question. Was this huge brown bear killed by humans?
"After some time, probably smelling fresh meat, the bear came and interrupted the tiger's meal. Judging by the footage from the camera trap, there was even a fight between the animals. One of the mother bears recorded on the video has a fresh deep mark from a claw on her nose. The tiger probably tried to defend its prey, but the forces were not equal," Gotvansky notes.
Let us recall that a similar story was observed in Khabarovsk Krai in 2017. Then, a huge brown bear stalked a tigress with her cubs for a long time and took her prey. As a result, the predator "complained" about her offender to a local male, who was able to drive the bear away from the female and provide her and the cubs with a well-fed life. The bear, which gamekeepers called Chlamyda, was supposed to be shot.
https://todaykhv.ru/news/in-areas-of-the-province/76270/
RE: Big cat and Bear tale - Apex Titan - 12-09-2024
(12-09-2024, 10:56 AM)book88 Wrote: @peter @Apex Titan
A question. Was this huge brown bear killed by humans?
"After some time, probably smelling fresh meat, the bear came and interrupted the tiger's meal. Judging by the footage from the camera trap, there was even a fight between the animals. One of the mother bears recorded on the video has a fresh deep mark from a claw on her nose. The tiger probably tried to defend its prey, but the forces were not equal," Gotvansky notes.
Let us recall that a similar story was observed in Khabarovsk Krai in 2017. Then, a huge brown bear stalked a tigress with her cubs for a long time and took her prey. As a result, the predator "complained" about her offender to a local male, who was able to drive the bear away from the female and provide her and the cubs with a well-fed life. The bear, which gamekeepers called Chlamyda, was supposed to be shot.
https://todaykhv.ru/news/in-areas-of-the-province/76270/
Gotvansky is referring to a fight between a young tigress and an adult female brown bear. The tigress injured and deeply lacerated the mother bear's nose in the fight. However, the young tigress was completely fine.
"Judging by the video, the successful hunter was a young tigress."
Here's the young tigress who injured the adult female brown bear in the fight:
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No, the huge brown bear 'Chlamyda' was not killed by humans, he was killed and eaten by the male tiger 'Ochkarik'. Humans were supposed to shoot the bear, but after the tigress Rashel complained to Ochkarik (father of her cubs), the male tiger appeared in the area and killed and ate the giant bear. All this was reported by biologist Alexander Batalov, several times in recent years. Batalov knew the huge brown bear 'Chlamyda' very well. After he suddenly vanished, Batalov found remains of a brown bear in Ochkarik's scats.
Alexander Batalov is the Director of the Durminskoye forest and hunting enterprise, so if those licensed hunters had "killed" the bear, Batalov would have certainly known about it. But Batalov is very sure and adamant, based on the clear tell-tale signs and evidence he saw, that the huge brown bear was killed and completely consumed by the male tiger Ochkarik, who he also knew very well.
In the most recent interview with Alexander Batalov (2024), Batalov again mentioned how the tiger Ochkarik killed and devoured the huge male brown bear 'Chlamyda':
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https://todaykhv.ru/news/in-areas-of-the-province/71709/
https://habarovsk.bezformata.com/listnews/habarovskiy-ohotoved-sozdayot-tayozhnuyu/127201098/
In 2020, on a live TV panel, Batalov mentions this case to the TV news presenter. And Batalov said the tiger Ochkarik came, saved the tigress from this bear, and destroyed him. I posted all the reports, articles, and video in the tiger extinction thread.