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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - lionuk - 08-31-2021

Lubyelubye father. Early morning mission, during a golden sunrise.


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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 08-31-2021

(08-31-2021, 04:27 PM)Potato Wrote: Even in a single coalition like Birminghams or De Laportes you can see big variations in size and there are just 4 males to compare in each. If you would take lets say 100 random adult male lions from Kruger to compare then varitation would be even much bigger in such group.

If you would take 100 random adults,60- 70 of them would be around the same size, unnoticable in size difference if they dont stand next to each others, for some even then it would be hard to tell who is bigger..then few would be bigger, and few smaller.. 

Thats my point, majority of males are around the same size, unnoticeable if you dont see them stand next to each others.. 

For DeLaportes, you have HRM who is one of the tallest lions around, and 3T who is one of the smallest, so size difference is very noticable there, Talamati and Dreadlocks are in between, average sized, as majority is.. 

For Bboys, would anybody notice the size difference between Nhenha and Mfumo if they where completely unrelated and never seen together?? No they wouldn't, it would be just a speculation. For long Mfumo was considered to be the biggest of Bboys, because those rangers never saw Nhenha alongside Mfumo, they just seen that Mfumo was bigger then Tinyo and Nsuku.. 

You gave 2 examples where size difference is noticable, but i can give you many more where it isnt, and with unrelated males that is.. Just recently Styx/NK, Kinky Tail /s36 male, S. Shishangeni /Last EBM male, S28 males and Hippo Pools male, Sumatra/Hercules then from the past Junior Matimba/Buddy, Mpondos, Blondie and DM Fourways etc.. 

And if you want related males.. Majingilanes, even Mapogos where all close in size (except KT), Mantimahles, Shishangenis, Matimbas, Kumanas all close in size and many more i didn't mentioned.. 

(08-31-2021, 04:27 PM)Potato Wrote:  I wonder how did you make comparison of those 3 with each others lol. Anyway Manyeleti guide which seen all those individuals on life said otherwise.

And how did he compare those 3 individuals? He never seen them together, just as i didn't.. Seeing them in person 1 by 1 means nothing when there is such a small difference between them.. Its like asking him to tell me, who is bigger Scar Nose Majingilane or Golden Mane, if he never saw them together side by side. 

I can understand if he compares less impressive/smaller males to big and impressive individual, as he said that Scar is much bigger then young and still not in their prime Tintswalo males, but comparing 3 big and impressive individuals like that is almost impossible, if you dont see them side by side.. 

I bet if you show in person DM, Scar and RRM to 10 people on their own, all of them would prob had different opinion who is the biggest..

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - lionuk - 08-31-2021

I even had a Ranger, who used work in SS, telling me that Selati males were quite bigger than Mapogo's Makhula. People didn't believe that, but that's what he said because he saw those lions in person.

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 09-01-2021

(08-31-2021, 08:48 PM)lionuk Wrote: I even had a Ranger, who used work in SS, telling me that Selati males were quite bigger than Mapogo's Makhula. People didn't believe that, but that's what he said because he saw those lions in person.

Selati #1 was monster in size, and prob one of the biggest lions around at his time, we know that because he was visiable bigger then his brothers, Selati #2 was also close in size. 

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Where they that bigger then Makhulu to judge that without seeing them side by side? Idk. 

My point is that you cant tell with 100% when comparing such impressive individuals who is bigger if you dont see them side by side (like we see in coalitions, so we can see who is bigger) because size difference is prob minimal (just like it is in coalitions, its rarely that 1 lion is much bigger then other in coalition, usually that lion is above average, or other smaller, under average, so its visiable).

Great example is in Nwaswitshakas, OE is prob one of the smallest male you will see around, while other 3 are roughly around the same size, barely noticeable difference if you dont see them side by side, and thats with Wide Nose being unrelated male it seems.

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Hairy tummy - 09-01-2021

The mane plays the biggest part i think, imagine smaller mamed mbiri with a mane like zig zag.the ngotso males from the video before did look very broad and bulky, some lions look taller but not very broad. The biggest boys i have seen on here all appear to have the height and the bulk. Seeing them in person must be amazing, will give you a much better prospective of the overall size

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 09-01-2021






RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Mabingilane - 09-01-2021

Mfowethu. What a cool name. I believe it means "brother". 
I like it when the ppl (rangers, guides etc) who regularly see them in person find names for them. 

So we have Casper, Casanova, and Mfowethu so far. 

Shishangaan males 2.0. 

Cheers @Tr1x24 my friend.

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Tr1x24 - 09-01-2021

(09-01-2021, 01:49 AM)Mistry109 Wrote: Mfowethu. What a cool name. I believe it means "brother". 
I like it when the ppl (rangers, guides etc) who regularly see them in person find names for them. 

So we have Casper, Casanova, and Mfowethu so far. 

Shishangaan males 2.0. 

Cheers @Tr1x24 my friend.

4th and most impressive was named "Footloose" on previous video. Cheers.

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Potato - 09-01-2021

(08-31-2021, 08:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: For DeLaportes, you have HRM who is one of the tallest lions around, and 3T who is one of the smallest, so size difference is very noticable there
But how do you know HRM is one of the tallest around and 3T is one of the smalles? Variation in size very well can be much bigger than this. HOw do you know there aren't around even significantly bigger males than HRM or significanly smaller than 3T? In case of 3T you could even make it quite easly as one of his brothers Dominant Tsalala male was much smaller than 3T and yet you can not know if there are not even smaller males around than Dominant Tsalala. 

(08-31-2021, 08:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: For Bboys, would anybody notice the size difference between Nhenha and Mfumo if they where completely unrelated and never seen together?? No they wouldn't, it would be just a speculation. For long Mfumo was considered to be the biggest of Bboys, because those rangers never saw Nhenha alongside Mfumo, they just seen that Mfumo was bigger then Tinyo and Nsuku.. 
If two males are around same size then I imagine it would be very dificult or imposible to judge which is bigger without seeing them next to each others, but how can you know how much of a difference is between Mbiri, RRM and DM. I imagine that if they would be so even in size then guide would say somethink like "they look roughly same size" or "they are so close that it is very dificult to tell" yet he seemed quite certain of his judgement.

(08-31-2021, 08:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: You gave 2 examples where size difference is noticable, but i can give you many more where it isnt, and with unrelated males that is.. Just recently Styx/NK, Kinky Tail /s36 male, S. Shishangeni /Last EBM male, S28 males and Hippo Pools male, Sumatra/Hercules then from the past Junior Matimba/Buddy, Mpondos, Blondie and DM Fourways etc.. 
Of course most lion will be about avarage and so close in size to each others quite like humans are (https://www.theifod.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/New-height-distribution-with-legend.jpg) but how would you judge from a photo  which lion is avarage, which is under avarage, which is over avarage? You could not (unless they are in same coalition and you can see vidoe of them walking next to each others ofcourse) unlike someone see them on life.  

Btw I am not sure S. Shishangeni and Fourways should be on your list.

(08-31-2021, 08:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: And if you want related males.. Majingilanes, even Mapogos where all close in size (except KT), Mantimahles, Shishangenis, Matimbas, Kumanas all close in size and many more i didn't mentioned.. 
Of course in case of related males which spends their whole life together it makes perfect sense to grow to similar size as they have similar or same genetic factor and same environmental factor. Mapogos tho are bad example there as KT and Rasta (especially Rasta) very clearly smaller than Mr T and PB who also were clearly smaller than Dred and Mak so there were quite a lot variation in size within this coalition.

(08-31-2021, 08:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Seeing them in person 1 by 1 means nothing when there is such a small difference between them.. Its like asking him to tell me, who is bigger Scar Nose Majingilane or Golden Mane, if he never saw them together side by side. 
(08-31-2021, 08:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: I can understand if he compares less impressive/smaller males to big and impressive individual, as he said that Scar is much bigger then young and still not in their prime Tintswalo males, but comparing 3 big and impressive individuals like that is almost impossible, if you dont see them side by side.. 

I bet if you show in person DM, Scar and RRM to 10 people on their own, all of them would prob had different opinion who is the biggest..
Again tho you just assumed how much of a difference is between those individuals which doesn't need to be a correct assumption at all.

(08-31-2021, 08:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: And how did he compare those 3 individuals?
What it comes to RRM and DM than the guide probably seen them on life countless of times considering for how long those males are dominant in Manyeleti. He did not see Mbiri male as much as he seen DM and RRM tho he definitelly had great visuals when Mbiri male was in Koppies with 3 Mbiri females. 

(08-31-2021, 08:21 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Its like asking him to tell me, who is bigger Scar Nose Majingilane or Golden Mane, if he never saw them together side by side. 
I believe if a man would watch those individuals on life for enough time (could be months, years, I have no idea how much exactly would be that "enough") he would start noticing even small differences. 

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Brahim - 09-01-2021

1 of the 4 Young Shishangaans.
-Casper’s biggest brother.
H7, KNP.
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Brahim - 09-01-2021

Footloose is a terrible name for a beast like this. I don’t think it’s rangers naming them, they never did before. And mfowethu is not a name either it’s just calling him Casper’s brother still in another language

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - BIGCATSXPERT - 09-01-2021

(08-31-2021, 06:53 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: One of the impressive Ratelpan males.
Olifants, KNP.
Credit: Kris KirkPatrick
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Huge male lion!! Lol

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - lionuk - 09-01-2021

One of the S100 males with his pride next to the road 31/08/2021


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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - lionuk - 09-01-2021

For clarification: S100 males are Shishangaan males, not N'wanesti males, right?

RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - lionuk - 09-01-2021

Mo and his lady friend, hunted down a big buffalo. Mjejane Game Reserve.


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