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RE: Avoca male lions - Matimbalani - 07-22-2020
I wonder if it effects his hunting and running abilities.
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 07-23-2020
The two Avoca male lions have been spending most of their time in the east of our concession with the lionesses of the Sand River pride, announcing their presence with distant roaring almost every morning.
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RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 07-23-2020
Blondie
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RE: Avoca male lions - titose - 07-24-2020
1/2 Southern Avoca male coalition!
"Even when they’re lying down, that eye contact spooks"
Tengile River Lodge Sabi Sands Game Reserve
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RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 07-29-2020
DM with Talamati pride yesterday at Djuma on WildEarth :
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Today, Blondie and Mohawk with rest of the Nkuhumas joined 3 younger lionesses on their kill which they made yesterday at Djuma:
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RE: Avoca male lions - titose - 07-30-2020
One of the Northern Avoca males "Blondie" seen recently with the Nkuhuma pride, you can tell he is in good physical shape even though he is limping a bit from his left front leg!
Sabi Sands Game Reserve
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Nkuhuma female and Mohawk Avoca the mating pair!
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RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 07-30-2020
So far Mohawk Avoca looked by be most healty from the Northen Avocas, but there swollen joint on his leg look really bad, clear mark of TB.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 07-30-2020
(07-30-2020, 12:59 PM)Potato Wrote: So far Mohawk Avoca looked by be most healty from the Northen Avocas, but there swollen joint on his leg look really bad, clear mark of TB.
Clear mark of TB?
Not every swollen joint means that is TB..
Swollen/water in joints in cats/dogs is called Hygroma (go check on google) and has nothing to do with TB.
Also swollen joints may appear from arthritis or caused by some injury in the past (we know that Mohawk was limping on that leg few months ago).
So yea, that swollen joint is not evidence that Mohawk has TB whatsoever..
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 07-30-2020
Considering how common TB is in Kruger it is save to say that it is most likely TB.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 07-30-2020
(07-30-2020, 04:12 PM)Potato Wrote: Considering how common TB is in Kruger it is save to say that it is most likely TB.
Well TB is common in Kruger lions, and majority of lions dont have any simptoms whatsoever and are living normal life.
But i disagree that this lump is most likely TB, because we dont know that..
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 07-30-2020
"Well TB is common in Kruger lions, and majority of lions dont have any simptoms whatsoever and are living normal life."
It is slow progressive disease so of course it rather won't kill him soon, but will make his life shorter.
"But i disagree that this lump is most likely TB, because we dont know that.."
We do not know for sure, but it is most likely TB.
RE: Avoca male lions - sik94 - 07-30-2020
Its most likely not TB. TB affects the overall condition of a lion, the lion also might struggle with being stiff and not being as mobile. Blondie mostly likely has a hip or a ligament injury that he'll probably never fully recover from.
RE: Avoca male lions - Matimbalani - 07-30-2020
From the discussion from rangers a few weeks back they also hinted that it may be joint/ligament related.
That said, I don't think we can conclusively rule out TB. Buddy and one of the Machaton males have TB and they were looking OK for a long time. With age and disease progression it may turn otherwise.
These guys are very unlucky with injuries, but at the same time quite lucky that they don't have any immediate challengers.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 07-30-2020
(07-30-2020, 08:45 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: From the discussion from rangers a few weeks back they also hinted that it may be joint/ligament related.
That said, I don't think we can conclusively rule out TB. Buddy and one of the Machaton males have TB and they were looking OK for a long time. With age and disease progression it may turn otherwise.
These guys are very unlucky with injuries, but at the same time quite lucky that they don't have any immediate challengers.
Agree, well we cant rule TB out, but im trying to say that not every "lump" is TB.
If you seen, one of the Talamati young subadults has exactly this kind of lump on his elbow, does that means that he has TB? Most likely not..
Older Othawa lioness from recently has lump on her hip, Tinyo also recently got lump on his shoulder, and both of this now relative older lions are in perfect condition without any signs of disease.. Those lumps are from injuries like ligaments injury, hematoms from punches etc..
RE: Avoca male lions - T I N O - 07-31-2020
(07-30-2020, 12:04 PM)titose Wrote: One of the Northern Avoca males "Blondie" seen recently with the Nkuhuma pride, you can tell he is in good physical shape even though he is limping a bit from his left front leg!
Sabi Sands Game Reserve
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Nkuhuma female and Mohawk Avoca the mating pair!
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Wow!
Mohawk/Lamula Avoca is a tank!