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RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-07-2016
i thinks dreadlocks got the biggest head in all mapogos
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Pckts - 11-07-2016
(11-06-2016, 10:23 PM)LionKiss Wrote:(11-06-2016, 08:50 PM)Majingilane Wrote:(11-06-2016, 08:10 PM)fursan syed Wrote: Mapogos left Quality rather than Quantity.
So in what way are these lionesses better than others?
1)they escaped death from the majingilane under the guidance of an older lioness,
2)they have raised 9 out of 9 cubs to a sexual mature age, 2 of the 6 younger lionesses are already pregnant by the Matimbas
3) they produced another 12 cubs who I hope they will reach maturity too
what other lionesses have produced 21 cubs?
and what other lionesses have a 9/9 survival rate?
Are they better lioness than Ma di Tau?
Was Ma di Tau a better Lioness than Silver eye?
How can you make such a determination?
Do you really think that you're able to definitively say no lioness has comparable numbers to the Mapogos?
How many lioness do you actually know about, how many of their life stories, what about their impressive feats, how do you measure one to another?
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-08-2016
(11-07-2016, 11:57 PM)Pckts Wrote:So make a thread on them.. simple .show the people about them ..with evidences articles and experts views.(11-06-2016, 10:23 PM)LionKiss Wrote:(11-06-2016, 08:50 PM)Majingilane Wrote:(11-06-2016, 08:10 PM)fursan syed Wrote: Mapogos left Quality rather than Quantity.
So in what way are these lionesses better than others?
1)they escaped death from the majingilane under the guidance of an older lioness,
2)they have raised 9 out of 9 cubs to a sexual mature age, 2 of the 6 younger lionesses are already pregnant by the Matimbas
3) they produced another 12 cubs who I hope they will reach maturity too
what other lionesses have produced 21 cubs?
and what other lionesses have a 9/9 survival rate?
Are they better lioness than Ma di Tau?
Was Ma di Tau a better Lioness than Silver eye?
How can you make such a determination?
Do you really think that you're able to definitively say no lioness has comparable numbers to the Mapogos?
How many lioness do you actually know about, how many of their life stories, what about their impressive feats, how do you measure one to another?
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-08-2016
KinKy Tail, Mr T, Pretty Boy and Rasta on a Kill
credits by Willem Botha
*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Pckts - 11-08-2016
(11-08-2016, 12:36 AM)fursan syed Wrote:(11-07-2016, 11:57 PM)Pckts Wrote:So make a thread on them.. simple .show the people about them ..with evidences articles and experts views.(11-06-2016, 10:23 PM)LionKiss Wrote:(11-06-2016, 08:50 PM)Majingilane Wrote:(11-06-2016, 08:10 PM)fursan syed Wrote: Mapogos left Quality rather than Quantity.
So in what way are these lionesses better than others?
1)they escaped death from the majingilane under the guidance of an older lioness,
2)they have raised 9 out of 9 cubs to a sexual mature age, 2 of the 6 younger lionesses are already pregnant by the Matimbas
3) they produced another 12 cubs who I hope they will reach maturity too
what other lionesses have produced 21 cubs?
and what other lionesses have a 9/9 survival rate?
Are they better lioness than Ma di Tau?
Was Ma di Tau a better Lioness than Silver eye?
How can you make such a determination?
Do you really think that you're able to definitively say no lioness has comparable numbers to the Mapogos?
How many lioness do you actually know about, how many of their life stories, what about their impressive feats, how do you measure one to another?
There are threads on them, many actually.
There is an entire documentary devoted to Ma di Tau.
So if no other lion has been documented achieving such a feat as Ma di Tau, does that make her the greatest lioness ever?
Your interpretation of greatness isn't the same as another persons.
Also, is that your barometer for determining "greatness?"
Public knowledge?
What about the 1000s unknown to the public, what about the 1000s reported on throughout history that weren't lucky enough to live in a digital world where every footstep could be monitored and shared?
Ma di tau is no diferent, she's a lion, she just so happened to have her story shared with the world but if you think that she is alone in her experiences than that would be wrong. Animals all have good times and bad, they go through hardships and easy living, they still must accomplish the same things as their ancestors before them, there is nothing today that makes a lion more or less great than their predecessors.
It's like comparing era's in sports, you can't, so just enjoy what you have, while you have it.
One of my favorite sayings is this
"Comparison is the thief of Joy"
RE: The mighty Mapogos - LionKiss - 11-08-2016
(11-07-2016, 11:57 PM)Pckts Wrote: Are they better lioness than Ma di Tau?
Was Ma di Tau a better Lioness than Silver eye?
How can you make such a determination?
Do you really think that you're able to definitively say no lioness has comparable numbers to the Mapogos?
How many lioness do you actually know about, how many of their life stories, what about their impressive feats, how do you measure one to another?
MadiTau lost 1/3 of her cubs, Mangheni brought 9/9 to maturity, so far
and we always compare among the documented lionsses, but from those Mangheni have the best record
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Pckts - 11-08-2016
(11-08-2016, 01:10 AM)LionKiss Wrote:(11-07-2016, 11:57 PM)Pckts Wrote: Are they better lioness than Ma di Tau?
Was Ma di Tau a better Lioness than Silver eye?
How can you make such a determination?
Do you really think that you're able to definitively say no lioness has comparable numbers to the Mapogos?
How many lioness do you actually know about, how many of their life stories, what about their impressive feats, how do you measure one to another?
MadiTau lost 1/3 of her cubs, Mangheni brought 9/9 to maturity, so far
and we always compare among the documented lionsses, but from those Mangheni have the best record
She also dominated a pride that tried to kill her, took on an adult bull cape by herself that killed her cub and kept another cub alive during a take over when the rest of her pride abandoned her
Latching on to one thing to try and prove something as being better or worse is pointless.
Are you guys actual fans of Lions or fans of specific Coalitions and Prides?
Because if you're fans of lions, that means you've researched as many as you can, all of their behaviors and individual tendencies, you would know that their are exceptional stories throughout all lions in history, If you're fans of specific prides than you get caught up in trying to prove them superior to others.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Pckts - 11-08-2016
@
It was in response to this
LionKiss Wrote:
(11-06-2016, 10:20 PM)Majingilane Wrote: Wrote:(11-06-2016, 09:40 PM)fursan syed Wrote: Wrote:Mapogos left Quality rather than Quantity.
So in what way are these lionesses better than others?
"1)they escaped death from the majingilane under the guidance of an older lioness,
2)they have raised 9 out of 9 cubs to a sexual mature age, 2 of the 6 younger lionesses are already pregnant by the Matimbas
3) they produced another 12 cubs who I hope they will reach maturity too
what other lionesses have produced 21 cubs?
and what other lionesses have a 9/9 survival rate?"
I also suggest you learn how to discuss topics rather than this nonsense
"So, you simply want to post flames. Since most of the moderators here are not Mapogos fans you are allowed to do this, polluting this thread with off-topic posts (to be kind and call them only "off-topic"). "
I'm not sure where exactly you get "flames" from because I don't back your belief when trying to determine the "best lions"
In response to this
"Moreover, as I already said, we are talking about lions we know"
Do we not know of Ma di Tau?
What about the Notches and their hippo hunting?
What about the elephant killing lions in Botswana?
Why don't you ask Packer about the "greatest lions," what about Dereck and Beverly Joubert, Schaller or Smithers?
What would they say?
No one here is "not a mapogo fan" hence why we have a thread dedicated to them.
Most of us here just have gotten past the "VS" non sense and have learned to just appreciate them as a species.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Pckts - 11-08-2016
(11-08-2016, 04:04 AM)Georgel Wrote: Can somebody stop this guy posting non-sense and pollute this tread with off-topic posts? Thanks.
Right, cause that wasn't already being discussed on this thread?
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Tshokwane - 11-08-2016
(11-08-2016, 04:16 AM)Georgel Wrote: Can somebody stop this guy posting non-sense and pollute this thread with off-topic posts? Thanks.
No.
When I told you to let it go and focus on the information about the Mapogos, you kept on insisting, ignoring my and Sanjay's warnings.
Now that he's challenging your views on a subject that you and others started, suddenly you want the thread to be "on topic"? Make up your mind.
Either the thread is strictly about the Mapogo's life, in which case many more post should be deleted, or the thread becomes the "discussing about lions" and the sharing of feelings.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - sanjay - 11-08-2016
Let me try one more time.
Majingilane and Pckts are talking about lions as species. That mean we are talking and discussing them as a lion in general. There are many untold lions story throughout the history which are equally impressive. You guys being a true fan of lions should agree with it and respect it.
And you guys are talking only about Mapogos, A single lion coalition that has impressed you and many others with their impressive history. But that does not mean you should compare them with other and weigh them more. Like you, there are other people who are more impressed with Majingilane, Matimba, Notches and other coalition, If they will read comments made by you they will join and start fighting with their arguments.
Believe me if this will happen WildFact will turn into war zone instead of quality information.
As an individual every lion and coalition are unique and have some quality better than other but in general, lions are same with common abilities of fighting, ruling and hunting.
If you are a mature gal/guy I am sure you will understand this and will not make unnecessary comments, instead will focus on bringing more information about individuals.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - Apollo - 11-08-2016
This forum is all about good quality information and respect for fellow posters.
Here quality comes first than quantity (just like you guys mentioned for Mapogos).
We have admins and mods for a reason, so respecting them is one of the top priorities here.
Regarding @Pckts posts here, I find them right on point and there is nothing nonsensical or flaming in any of them.
I suggest stick to the topic and move on.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - LionKiss - 11-08-2016
(11-08-2016, 04:27 AM)Georgel Wrote: I think everyone who knows a little about Mapogos has wondered:
Why Mr. T arrived so late to the fight place between KT and the Majingilanes?
He couldn't be that far, and the noise of the fight should have been terrific.
I'm asking this with the hope that people who followed the Mapogos since they were still alive have heard something credible from somewhere. Of course, there is also the possibility that nobody knows what really happened. If try to answer my question please give some evidence, or quote authorized sources, don't share your personal opinions. Thanks.
there was quite a lot of roaring for some time before KT start his offence. Lions can hear sounds we can't and it is almost certain that the two parties have sensed the presence of each other.
even if MrT was far there was enough time to return, and since KT was quite injured it sounds a little unnatural to start an offense alone.
I don't know, there are a lot of gaps in those reoports.
I am a Lion fan, I like all Lions, for me the Mapogos is an exceptional case but what makes it unique is the complexity.
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-08-2016
Mapogos are well hated by many humans also. Some suggested to seperate them and and move them to other reserves. Some said why not to shoot those 6 to save 100 lions they killed. Thats was all going on in 2007 and 2008. For me the human intervention is a key point for mapogos fall in 2012 . The killing of Dreadlocks by humans is destructive for mapogo coalition. If thats not happen mqy be mapogos reign will end in 2013 or 2014 or even longer
RE: The mighty Mapogos - fursan syed - 11-08-2016
Also Rasta death was a mystery because no one really knows for sure what happened that night we know one thing for sure pretty boy fought majingilanes that night and survive because of in time help of 3 other mapogos. But rasta lost is a mystery on just morning rangers were there they found blood but not a single bone or mane or anything like that. It is really foggy case. Nothing is found of rasta's body