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RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-21-2014
'Pckts dateline='' Wrote:'Pantherinae dateline='' Wrote: Yeah @Pckts I agree with that. It's more common that Lions are under 200 kg, but certanly it's not rare neither. And that's what i ment. Yeah around 250 kg is maximum for the biggest male lions, but I would not be shocked if some okavango Lions would be higher, but that's only based on pure estimate.
it's possible, but it may not be or it may be Okavango Lions. There isn't any data really proving it one way or another. Meaurements from most areas seem to have high and low weights. Kruger had the highest weighed Lion from one study while only being the 3rd highest weighing lion population. But if a lion can weigh 240kg (adjusted) than I see no reason why there are not other lions that might be larger.
Like the old saying goes,
"theres always a bigger fish in the sea"
Could not have said it any better myself! There's also a lion on 253 kg adjusted. So big cats can be huge! A cat at over 220 kg is just a beast we can only imagen The strength of.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Amnon242 - 08-21-2014
(08-21-2014, 02:26 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: Yeah @Pckts I agree with that. It's more common that Lions are under 200 kg, but certanly it's not rare neither. And that's what i ment. Yeah around 250 kg is maximum for the biggest male lions, but I would not be shocked if some okavango Lions would be higher, but that's only based on pure estimate.
What do you mean by "rare"?
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - GuateGojira - 08-21-2014
Here is a little list that I made some time ago:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Hope this helps to enlarge our data. [img]images/smilies/smile.gif[/img]
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-21-2014
@GuateGojira thanks!
Thats awsome!
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-21-2014
'Amnon242 dateline='' Wrote:'Pantherinae dateline='' Wrote: Yeah @Pckts I agree with that. It's more common that Lions are under 200 kg, but certanly it's not rare neither. And that's what i ment. Yeah around 250 kg is maximum for the biggest male lions, but I would not be shocked if some okavango Lions would be higher, but that's only based on pure estimate.
What do you mean by "rare"?
That even if it's not as common as not, it's still no shocker if You find male Lions over 200 kg.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Amnon242 - 08-21-2014
(08-21-2014, 05:03 PM)Pantherinae Wrote: That even if it's not as common as not, it's still no shocker if You find male Lions over 200 kg.
I asked so because V. Mazak wrote something slightly different...but it´s just an unimportant game with words. I think we all have basically the same opinion...
BTW yesterday I saw a lion in a zoo, who could be around 200 kg (my estimate).
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pckts - 08-21-2014
Look how close the max for lions is, all over. You really don't see a very dramatic change across the board.
Makes me wonder if tigers follow the same rule.
There are just so many places that have yet to researched and we can only go off a small sample size, a part of me thinks that all areas north and south have monster of their species that hit the max for each cat, or very close.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - tigerluver - 08-21-2014
What's the exact source of the 250 kg Private Nature Reserve specimen? Never heard of that one.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - chaos - 08-22-2014
(08-21-2014, 10:30 PM)'tigerluver' Wrote: What's the exact source of the 250 kg Private Nature Reserve specimen? Never heard of that one.
Ahhhh come on now Pockets. You and I have locked horns on this very topic many times. The 283 kg - stomach content included - lion
weighed - or estimated by your account - by the Timbervati leopard project. Remember? Thats the lion in question.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - tigerluver - 08-22-2014
Thanks for the info, but I'm not Pckts. Just wondering where it's mentioned for my records.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-22-2014
Quote:
*This image is copyright of its original author'tigerluver' pid='4379' dateline='1408642201'
What's the exact source of the 250 kg Private Nature Reserve specimen? Never heard of that one.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - chaos - 08-22-2014
(08-22-2014, 07:07 AM)'tigerluver' Wrote: Thanks for the info, but I'm not Pckts. Just wondering where it's mentioned for my records.
My bad. Sorry
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - GuateGojira - 08-22-2014
More data on the 250 kg lion:
*This image is copyright of its original author
As we can see, both emails use a round number of about 250 kg and the lion was with a full stomach. The figure of 253 kg is as reliable as a figure of 247 kg, if we take in count a food intake of 33 kg, which is also plausible.
In fact, the largest food intake reported by Schaller was of 33 kg (East Africa), the largest from South Africa was of 35 kg (Apps, 2000), and Packer mention a higher figure of 43 kg from Tanzania. In this case, the weight of this lion could be as low as 237 kg, but the vets estimated that the food intake of this lions was probably about 30 kg, which seems normal for a gorged lion, so the correct figure should be 250 kg empty, which is the one quoted by Almero Bosch. In this cases, round numbers from "estimated values" are the correct ones.
Using this, I think that the correct source that most be quoted for this record male lion should be "Bosch, Pers. Comm. 2013". I will change that in the image.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - TheLioness - 08-22-2014
What a lion I bet.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Richardrli - 08-22-2014
Unfortunately this magnificent male was shot last year. Just trying to find the link at the moment.