(06-12-2021, 03:13 AM)Psyckoo Wrote: Hi everyone, when i read about actual coalitions, i see many time the name Old Tshkowane, Old Mazithi, Old Shukuza...
I wanted to ask did someone have more information about these coalition, who many they were, who many time they rules, their legacy ? Or we don't have much infos about them...

And finally who sired Renerskoppies males ? Mpondo or Old Sand river males ?

Thanks a lot

(06-12-2021, 04:45 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(06-12-2021, 03:13 AM)Psyckoo Wrote: Hi everyone, when i read about actual coalitions, i see many time the name Old Tshkowane, Old Mazithi, Old Shukuza...
I wanted to ask did someone have more information about these coalition, who many they were, who many time they rules, their legacy ? Or we don't have much infos about them...

And finally who sired Renerskoppies males ? Mpondo or Old Sand river males ?

Thanks a lot

Ok, lets go..

Old Tshokwanes where 3 males that where dominant around Tshokwane from around 2004/5 to prob around 2010.. They are fathers of 2 Old Mazithis and possibly some of Majingilanes..

Old Mazithis where 2 males that where dominant around Mazithi Dam and pride from around 2008/9 until 2015/16, they sired Mantimahles, 2 Mazithi (current Lubyelubye pride males) and possibly 3 current (only 2 alive now) Mazithi pride males, althrough its not clear if they are their fathers, because those 3 males oust them in 2015/16..

Old Skukuza males where 3 males who where dominant around Skukuza/KNP Lion Sands and Hilda's Rock Pride from around 2006/7 until around 2012, they sired 3 Sand River males and 4 Kumana males.

Theres not much known about these coalitions..

For Renosterkoppies males, yes, current Renosterkoppies males are sired by Mpondos..

But we had few generations of Renosterkoppies males over the years..

2 Renosterkoppies males (born around 2010/11, male with scared nose and his brother) where sired by Old Sand River males, they where known for being in bad condition with mange in their nomadic days around 2015/16, i think they where last seen in 2018.. 

Then we had Renosterkoppies male, know as "nomadic Renosterkoppies male", he was born around 2012/13, idk who sired him, he was also last seen in 2018 with 2 older Nwaswitshaka brothers..

Hope this helps.

(06-13-2021, 02:46 AM)Psyckoo Wrote: That help a lot thanks..
Your knowledge is very appreciated.


I just have a last question about Old Mazithi, i also read that they were related to Old Skybed, did you have any info about this one ? Or is just speculation...

(06-13-2021, 06:36 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: @Tonpa I’m confused do you mean who’s the closest coalitions to them coming from kruger?

(06-13-2021, 07:39 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: @Tonpa that spot is mainly run by those Kruger/torchwood males not really many threats for them. To the south 5th Mantimahle and sons were with plains camp before but not sure on their status now. There’s a young male seen on s33 sometimes mating but not sure who he is. To the north they have the Hamilton males near the camp and Nwaswitsontso males near s125 but there’s distance between them and they have there own thing going on so doubt they would come for them. But you know could be some nomads around too we don’t see much from here

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