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RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - T_Ferguson - 02-18-2025
(02-18-2025, 09:21 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I'm willing to say that photo of Mohawk is old.
I can't say I am 100% on it either. He had that lip thing going on, and it doesn't look to be showing now, but hey... maybe he healed?
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - afortich - 02-19-2025
King Mohawk with his boys
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Ngonya - 02-19-2025
Posted today by Marga Stevens. I think its very likely all this sightings are recent.
"3 male lions seen on the H1-2 close to Nwatindlopfu dam.the 1st photos are of a lion that was with the other two, but they did not want to join him, so he went off on his own. The other 2 were big buddies."
Mohawk
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Nkuhuma boys
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RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Friarfan619 - 02-19-2025
My boy
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Friarfan619 - 02-19-2025
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - T_Ferguson - 02-19-2025
Another sighting.. So... hopefully real now.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - sunless - 02-19-2025
(02-19-2025, 10:50 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Another sighting.. So... hopefully real now.
Mohawk looks like he had seen horror in his lifetime he is truly a strong headed and persistent male even though age and body is catching up to him he still moves forward. Really wonder how the last Southern Shishangeni Male did maintain his physique as he is older than Mohawk.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Tr1x24 - 02-20-2025
(02-19-2025, 11:03 PM)sunless Wrote: Really wonder how the last Southern Shishangeni Male did maintain his physique as he is older than Mohawk.
S.Shishangeni and his condition at ~14-15 yrs of age is very rare case for a wild male lion (on top of that he was nomad most of his adult life).
Its always sad to see male lion past his prime, especially one we followed all these years.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - T_Ferguson - 02-20-2025
(02-20-2025, 12:43 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(02-19-2025, 11:03 PM)sunless Wrote: Really wonder how the last Southern Shishangeni Male did maintain his physique as he is older than Mohawk.
S.Shishangeni and his condition at ~14-15 yrs of age is very rare case for a wild male lion (on top of that he was nomad most of his adult life).
Its always sad to see male lion past his prime, especially one we followed all these years.
I don't know if it's truly sad to see Mohawk this way. He and his half brother are the survivors. I'd love to see them both live on for a couple more years, though it's mostly likely not possible.
I think many of us wanted the fairy tale that the 2 of them got together. S. Avoca, Kruger, and Mohawk would have possibly brought a couple of years of stability to Mohawks old territory.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Guillermo94 - 02-20-2025
(02-20-2025, 01:23 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote:(02-20-2025, 12:43 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(02-19-2025, 11:03 PM)sunless Wrote: Really wonder how the last Southern Shishangeni Male did maintain his physique as he is older than Mohawk.
S.Shishangeni and his condition at ~14-15 yrs of age is very rare case for a wild male lion (on top of that he was nomad most of his adult life).
Its always sad to see male lion past his prime, especially one we followed all these years.
I don't know if it's truly sad to see Mohawk this way. He and his half brother are the survivors. I'd love to see them both live on for a couple more years, though it's mostly likely not possible.
I think many of us wanted the fairy tale that the 2 of them got together. S. Avoca, Kruger, and Mohawk would have possibly brought a couple of years of stability to Mohawks old territory.
I was going to say southern Avoca and Mohawk are most likely full blood brothers, same father and same mother, but Southern Avoca is a bit older. Maybe they did not have the same mother; the lionesses would not have more cubs until a year later?
I wonder if Mohawk is a year younger wouldn’t Mohawk possibly be Southern Avoca younger brother? I am sayin wouldn’t Mohawk could be younger brother of Southern Avoca with same parents?
I always wondered if the Southern Avoca brother who had a beautiful mane and was so strong looked similar to blondy? I am not sure, but I always wondered if they had the same parents and they were older a few months or a year. If they were possible from same mother or mothers or different mothers.
Would anybody know if blonde was similar to Southern Avoca, and Southern Avoca with Kruger male lion to Mohawk?
Dark mane looked a bit like Mohawk with a darker mane, bigger.
The plain camp male lion son of southern Avoca looked a bit like Mohawk I thought; I was thinking he must be son of Southern Avoca male with Kruger male.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - T_Ferguson - 02-20-2025
(02-20-2025, 02:02 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:(02-20-2025, 01:23 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote:(02-20-2025, 12:43 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(02-19-2025, 11:03 PM)sunless Wrote: Really wonder how the last Southern Shishangeni Male did maintain his physique as he is older than Mohawk.
S.Shishangeni and his condition at ~14-15 yrs of age is very rare case for a wild male lion (on top of that he was nomad most of his adult life).
Its always sad to see male lion past his prime, especially one we followed all these years.
I don't know if it's truly sad to see Mohawk this way. He and his half brother are the survivors. I'd love to see them both live on for a couple more years, though it's mostly likely not possible.
I think many of us wanted the fairy tale that the 2 of them got together. S. Avoca, Kruger, and Mohawk would have possibly brought a couple of years of stability to Mohawks old territory.
I was going to say southern Avoca and Mohawk are most likely full blood brothers, same father and same mother, but Southern Avoca is a bit older. Maybe they did not have the same mother; the lionesses would not have more cubs until a year later?
I wonder if Mohawk is a year younger wouldn’t Mohawk possibly be Southern Avoca younger brother? I am sayin wouldn’t Mohawk could be younger brother of Southern Avoca with same parents?
I always wondered if the Southern Avoca brother who had a beautiful mane and was so strong looked similar to blondy? I am not sure, but I always wondered if they had the same parents and they were older a few months or a year. If they were possible from same mother or mothers or different mothers.
Would anybody know if blonde was similar to Southern Avoca, and Southern Avoca with Kruger male lion to Mohawk?
Dark mane looked a bit like Mohawk with a darker mane, bigger.
The plain camp male lion son of southern Avoca looked a bit like Mohawk I thought; I was thinking he must be son of Southern Avoca male with Kruger male.
There is zero chance they both have the same parents. It's also not exactly likely they have either parent the same. They are part of the same coalition mating with the same Pride.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Guillermo94 - 02-20-2025
(02-20-2025, 06:43 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote:Yes then most likely they are cousins, but Mohawk was a bit older than his brothers. So he was closer to Southern Avoca age? A few months. Older Avoca male lion who was stronger must of been with lionesses more time than younger old Avoca male lions.(02-20-2025, 02:02 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:(02-20-2025, 01:23 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote:(02-20-2025, 12:43 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(02-19-2025, 11:03 PM)sunless Wrote: Really wonder how the last Southern Shishangeni Male did maintain his physique as he is older than Mohawk.
S.Shishangeni and his condition at ~14-15 yrs of age is very rare case for a wild male lion (on top of that he was nomad most of his adult life).
Its always sad to see male lion past his prime, especially one we followed all these years.
I don't know if it's truly sad to see Mohawk this way. He and his half brother are the survivors. I'd love to see them both live on for a couple more years, though it's mostly likely not possible.
I think many of us wanted the fairy tale that the 2 of them got together. S. Avoca, Kruger, and Mohawk would have possibly brought a couple of years of stability to Mohawks old territory.
I was going to say southern Avoca and Mohawk are most likely full blood brothers, same father and same mother, but Southern Avoca is a bit older. Maybe they did not have the same mother; the lionesses would not have more cubs until a year later?
I wonder if Mohawk is a year younger wouldn’t Mohawk possibly be Southern Avoca younger brother? I am sayin wouldn’t Mohawk could be younger brother of Southern Avoca with same parents?
I always wondered if the Southern Avoca brother who had a beautiful mane and was so strong looked similar to blondy? I am not sure, but I always wondered if they had the same parents and they were older a few months or a year. If they were possible from same mother or mothers or different mothers.
Would anybody know if blonde was similar to Southern Avoca, and Southern Avoca with Kruger male lion to Mohawk?
Dark mane looked a bit like Mohawk with a darker mane, bigger.
The plain camp male lion son of southern Avoca looked a bit like Mohawk I thought; I was thinking he must be son of Southern Avoca male with Kruger male.
There is zero chance they both have the same parents. It's also not exactly likely they have either parent the same. They are part of the same coalition mating with the same Pride.
I mean if a male lion in a coalition had cubs with one lionesses. Same male lion might have had cubs with another lionesses, if he was stronger in that time in a few months. Maybe a male lion who is strong or strongest for one or two year until maybe one of the younger coalition partner is stronger.
It is why I think maybe Southern Avoca male lion maybe brother of Mohawks than cousins. Them having the same parents I can see your point there are other lions, male lions and lionesses.
I just think about it, because Mohawk and Southern Avoca male lion look alike. If the Southern Avoca male lion is older than Mohawk by a year in half I do not think it would be impossible, but maybe they are just cousins.
I just think how both Mohawk and blonde May he rest looked like southern Avoca male lions. Maybe same male lions is the father. I mean the same two male lions first had Southern Avoca and then Mohawk and blonde, but if Mohawk is a bit older; I wonder if Dark mane had the same father as Mohawk, but maybe they are just older.
Mohawk was older than his northern bros.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - criollo2mil - 02-20-2025
(02-20-2025, 09:18 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote: Mohawk was older than his northern bros.
not really....i shared a pic of the three as cubs in this thread and they are more than likely littermates.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Ngonya - 02-21-2025
Mohawk and the Nkuhuma males near Mantimahle Dam on the H1-2 in Kruger.
by Safraaz Suliman
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Guillermo94 - 02-21-2025
(02-20-2025, 06:31 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:(02-20-2025, 09:18 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote: Mohawk was older than his northern bros.
not really....i shared a pic of the three as cubs in this thread and they are more than likely littermates.
I am not sure then. I do not know how many times; I have read comments on how Mohawk was a bit older.