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Shishangeni males - stoja9 - 05-20-2017
Is there a topic already on these guys? What do we know about them? Displace another group? According to the Kruger Instagram, they are often seen around Crocodile Bridge. They look like some big boys!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BULl5uuD9Ia/?taken-by=latestkruger&hl=en
RE: Shishangeni males - Ngala - 05-20-2017
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You can find some information and write news about these males in this thread: Coalitions of Kruger National Park
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Fredymrt - 05-23-2017
Credits: Brian rode
A short video of some of the action witnessed the other day. 4 Shish Males against 1 intruder.
Read the story below.
What an unbelievable morning! The temperature was cool and the mist was thick. We had found the fresh footprints of two male lions in the road, heading in a northerly direction. We drove past a herd of elephants (it is always great to see elephants in the mist. Massive dark shadows in the grey). We carried on following the male lion tracks. From the way the back footprint lay far in front of the front paw print (the back paw was overstepping the front) we could tell that the two lions were running fast. After a while of following the tracks we eventually got a glimpse of the two maned brothers up ahead. They were two large adult lions. We know these lions as the Rogue Males and they are quite shy of the vehicles. These two male lions have recently been pushing into the concession, chasing the younger males in the area. The two Rogue males were still headed north and they had already gone quite deep into the Shish Males territory (the dominant male coalition in our concession).
They were roaring loudly. As soon as the lions saw us they moved away from the road into the thick bush to the west. We lost sight of them and so we carried on driving a little further up the road, hoping that they would come back a bit closer so that we could get better views of them. It was a little bit disappointing that after tracking them for such a long distance that we only managed to get a brief view as they disappeared into the vegetation. We were on one of the public roads and were therefore not able to follow them into the bush. We soon saw another vehicle approaching from up ahead. It was some other tourists and I waved them to stop. As they slowed down I told the driver to keep a careful lookout in the area and told him that we had just seen two lions moving away from the road.
This tourist then told us that a little further up the road he had seen four other lions that had been lying in the middle of the road, but they had also disappeared into the thick vegetation and the gentleman had lost visual of them. We decided to carry on driving to where he had seen the lions and when we got there we could see the imprints in the sand where the cats had been lying. The tracks of these lions had headed in a south-westerly direction. They were obviously headed straight towards where the other lions had disappeared. We turned the car around and started to head south again, hoping that we would be able to get another view of the lions. We stopped again and that is when we heard the lions calling.
The lions were roaring loudly from within the bushes quite close to where we were. Chantelle had also just arrived in the area and she carried on driving a little further down the road. She then spoke on the radio and announced that she could see the original two male lions running in the road ahead of her. They were racing fast back towards the south, back the way that they had originally come from.
Chantelle then called in on the radio saying that there were now six male lions running down the road in front of her. The four Shish males had come out of the bush behind the Rogue males and were now chasing after them. The Grumpy Shish Male was struggling to keep up with the other three as they chased the two intruders. He was limping, due to his gammy back leg, but still continued to follow on behind them, roaring as he tried to catch up. All six lions were now roaring loudly.
It was an incredible sound! I quickly caught up to Chantelle as she was following the lions that were running fast down the road towards the south. It was amazing to see the six large males running down the road into the thick mist. It was an amazing sight and the sound of their roaring was incredible! The Rogue males were running for their lives and the Shish males were right behind them. The lions then turned off the road and headed into the Singita Concession. By now Jacques had joined the sighting. The Shish Males seemed as though they were catching up to the Rogue males as all the lions ran across the open grasslands towards the south. At this point Sean was arriving and so I decided to leave and allow space for him to enter the sighting so that his guests could also see what was going on. I heard that the Shish Males continued to chase the Rogues across the open grasslands and when Chantelle decided to leave the sighting (she had already been with them for quite a while and wanted to go and look for other animals) I returned back. The Rogues were now crossing the Gumba drainage and the Shish Males were close on their tail. As soon as the two Rogue males had crossed the drainage the Shish Males seemed to decide that they had pushed the intruders out of their territory and they turned around and started walking north again. The two Rogue males saw the Shish Males retreating and this boosted their confidence. It was now that they made their biggest mistake! They started chasing after the Shish Males, straight into Shish territory. The four Shish Males were headed north again across the open grassland and the two Rogue Males started giving chase. We followed the lions as they ran past a large breeding herd of elephants and the elephants got a fright with the lions passing by them.
They trumpeted and gave a few mock charges towards the lions. We decided that it would not be too wise to get close to the elephants, as they could decide to take out their wrath on the vehicles instead. We took quite a wide detour around the herd of elephants and when we caught up to the lions again we could see that the Shish Males were reconsidering their options again. They turned around and started to chase the two males again. Now the Shish Males were pissed off! How dare the intruders chase them around in their own territory!. All six lions were running south across the grasslands again. They headed past the elephant herd again and the elephants once again trumpeted and stared at the lions as they passed. We caught up to the lions near the Gumba Drainage again and the Shish Males were catching up to the intruders. The two Rogues made their way over the ridge south of Dumbana Pool, with the shish Males right behind them. Sean was driving right behind the lions as they headed off the road into the bush again. I was close behind when Sean called on the radio, saying that the Shish Males had just caught up to one of the Rogues.
I pulled my car into position right behind Sean. The One-eyed Shish Male was already fighting with the Rogue and the other three Shish males were just arriving at the scene. Chaos ensued! It was a blur of movement as the four Shish Males climbed into the Rogue Male, hitting and biting at him. The sound of the growling and fighting was intense! The Rogue Male was trapped and surrounded, and was taking quite a punishment. Four against one. The odds were not good for the intruder. The four Shish males attacked relentlessly, biting the intruder and hitting him hard with their paws and claws. We could see the blood on the mouth of the Shish males as they bit the Rogue. He tried to defend himself, but he stood no chance. One of the Shish Males got a good grip on the inner thigh of the Rogue and I thought he was going for the lion’s genitals. The intruder tried to fight back, but was taking serious injuries from the four males who were surrounding him and launching attacks at him. He was in big trouble now. One of the Shish Males hit him hard on the spine and it appeared that his back legs collapsed under him. It was possible that they had now broken his spine. Another of the Shish Males bit into his inner thighs again and once again went for his groin. It was obvious that they were going to kill him! As they climbed into him again we noticed a male elephant approaching. He was obviously not happy with all the commotion going on and charged towards the lions. Two of the Shish males made a quick retreat away from the elephant but the other two continued attacking the unfortunate Rogue. The elephant trumpeted at the lions and mock-charged again, stopping short of the lions and staring down at them. Eventually after a bit more skirmishing the four Shish Males moved off, following after where the other Rogue Male had headed. I decided to leave the area then. The injured male was in a really bad way. Just before I left the area I watched as the Rogue male tried to lift himself up and collapsed again. His back legs were just not supporting him. My last view of him was as he was trying to drag himself towards the shade of a large Leadwood tree. During the period that we had been watching the fight unfold Chantelle had found a large herd of buffalos and I decided to go there and watch them. There were lots of thoughts going through my mind and obviously through the minds of the guests that had witnessed the fight. Chantelle now headed back to the lion sighting where Sean and Jacques were still watching the cats. The Shish males were unable to find the other Rogue and then returned to finish off the first. I heard later from the guides that they had again attacked him. It was again a vicious attack. Eventually the four Shish Males went and lay in the shade and the Rogue dragged himself to the base of the Leadwood Tree. On the way back to camp, at the end of the drive, we passed by the site of the battle again. The four Shish Males were still resting in the shade and the Rogue was lying, face-down in the grass. We could see that he was still breathing, but he was not going to last much longer. I did not go to the area in the afternoon, but the next morning I passed by the area.
The Rogue male was dead and his body was still lying under the tree where he had dragged himself to. We came across the four Shish males a few kilometers to the north. They were resting on the northern bank of the N’wanetsi River. The One-eyed Male (the male that had originally caught up to the Rogue and started attacking him) was looking very sore. His front right paw was seriously swollen and he was having difficulty putting any weight on it. One of the other males had some fresh scars and scratches on his face. The morning after that, Sean and Jacques headed back to the area and found a clan of hyenas feeding on the carcass of the lion. There were numerous vultures perched in the trees waiting for their turn. That morning we found tracks of the other Rogue Male heading straight towards the Mozambique border. We wondered what was going to happen to him now that he had lost his coalition partner. We also wondered whether he would grieve the loss of his brother and friend!
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Photos by Brandan Smit May 2017
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A rogue lion that was killed by 4 Shish male Lions (they come later on), it was an incredible sight. Mane hair and blood everywhere. PhotoCredits Brian rode
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The One-eyed Male from the Shish Lions, after the fight with the intruder. Note the swollen right front paw. He was struggling to put weight on it.
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PhotoCredits: Brian rode
The 4 shish Males walking in the mist, following after and chasing the two intruders
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Sideliner - 05-24-2017
That rogue male sure was a tough customer. Keeping 4 adult males very busy and injuring a few of them. Just shows you how tough male lions are. He fought bravely - died like a KING.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - sik94 - 05-25-2017
I can't believe those 2 males decided to chase after 4 adult males. Don't know if it's stupidity or bravery. Its the survival of the fittest and lions with unfiltered-aggression won't get far I guess.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - LionKiss - 05-25-2017
(05-25-2017, 04:55 AM)sik94 Wrote: I can't believe those 2 males decided to chase after 4 adult males. Don't know if it's stupidity or bravery. Its the survival of the fittest and lions with unfiltered-aggression won't get far I guess.
MrT and KT chased away the 5 majingilane, isolated and killed -
- one of them.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - sik94 - 05-25-2017
Yeah, but the majingalanes were not in their prime at the time, in the second altercation they ended up killing KT. These two tried to go after 4 territorial males in their prime which was never gonna turn out well.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Fredymrt - 05-25-2017
(05-25-2017, 10:38 AM)LionKiss Wrote: MrT and KT chased away the 5 majingilane, isolated and killed -
From karin van der were
Posted on her fb page on july 2015
"Just for your info...I do not know who told the story that the Mapogos took on all 5 Majingis as they only found one majingi on nkorho...the other 4 were still north from Nkorho. So they only took on one of them and not all 5 like is mentioned by some people. We got Back to the lodge and during dinner time we heard a commotion on our open area. The 2 coalitions were about 500 meters apart and obviously they ran towards each other and we think there might have been contact already on our open area as it sounded like it. We only got them when they were north of our open area running through the drainage line. I myself had no idea which lion was which as it was chaos at that time. I would appreciate it if you first make sure of the facts before speculation or accusations are made."
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - LionKiss - 05-25-2017
(05-25-2017, 06:09 PM)Fredymrt Wrote:(05-25-2017, 10:38 AM)LionKiss Wrote: MrT and KT chased away the 5 majingilane, isolated and killed -
From karin van der were
Posted on her fb page on july 2015
"Just for your info...I do not know who told the story that the Mapogos took on all 5 Majingis as they only found one majingi on nkorho...the other 4 were still north from Nkorho. So they only took on one of them and not all 5 like is mentioned by some people. We got Back to the lodge and during dinner time we heard a commotion on our open area. The 2 coalitions were about 500 meters apart and obviously they ran towards each other and we think there might have been contact already on our open area as it sounded like it. We only got them when they were north of our open area running through the drainage line. I myself had no idea which lion was which as it was chaos at that time. I would appreciate it if you first make sure of the facts before speculation or accusations are made."
how north? 100 meters?
The 5 majingilane were feeding on a buffalo they had killed and when the Mapogos approached the 4 of them run away and the 5th was caught behind because he was still feeding.
The 2 Mapogos did not took on all 5 because the 4 of them run away. Karin is correct but those words of Karin do not contradict what I am saying
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Fredymrt - 05-30-2017
(05-25-2017, 10:38 AM)LionKiss Wrote: how north? 100 meters?
The 5 majingilane were feeding on a buffalo they had killed and when the Mapogos approached the 4 of them run away and the 5th was caught behind because he was still feeding.
The 2 Mapogos did not took on all 5 because the 4 of them run away. Karin is correct but those words of Karin do not contradict what I am saying
Tara.p. said:
"They were at Nkorho Pan with a buffalo kill. Four had gone to the pan for a drink, the fifth remained with the kill. While the four were drinking, trouble appeared for the fifth one on the kill. The two Mapogo Males. They found the fifth lion and broke both his hind legs."
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - leocrest - 05-30-2017
that young rogue lion looks to be huge. might be why he put up such a brave fight.
RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Gamiz - 06-01-2017
@LionKiss @Fredymrt this thread is about coalitions of KNP, dont forget it.
Eastern bank male
Credit: Ulrica de Beer
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Gamiz - 06-06-2017
Talamati male with lioness
Photo credits to Discoverkruger
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - Gamiz - 06-07-2017
2 Lions on a kill(Nkuhuma male Junior and Buddy)
H7, 4km from Orpen
Vis 5/5
Tinged by Stefan and Renee
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RE: Coalitions of Kruger National Park - vinodkumarn - 06-08-2017
(06-06-2017, 09:15 AM)Gamiz Wrote: Talamati male with lioness
Photo credits to Discoverkruger
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Is he with 2 Mhangeni males or with Talamati male?