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RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Apollo - 10-29-2015
Umred-Karhandla tiger Jai fitted with radio collar
Jai, arguably the state's biggest male tiger, was on Tuesday morning radio collared at Umred-Karhandla Wildlife Sanctuary by a team of experts from Wildlife Institute of India (WII), Dehradun, and Pench forest officials.
Jai is the third tiger to be fitted with a satellite collar after a male 'Gabbar' at Tadoba-Andhari Tiger Reserve (TATR) and tigress 'Chhoti Tara' from Jamni in October 2014 under a special project to monitor tigers. TOI was the first to report on May 1 about the imminent collaring of 'Jai' and one of the problem tigers outside Tipeshwar Wildlife Sanctuary in Pandharkawda in Yavatmal district.
The tigers are being fitted collars under the 1.70 crore 'Long-term comprehensive monitoring of tigers, co-predators, and prey animals', jointly being implemented by the forest department, National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA) and WII.
"Earlier, the radio-collaring project was confined to dispersing tigers from Tadoba and its landscape but the same was extended to Tipeshwar and Umred-Karhandla," said Sarjan Bhagat, principal chief conservator of forests (PCCF) for wildlife, Maharashtra. Bhagat also revealed that a similar 1 crore project titled 'Radio-collaring of tigers in Eastern Vidarbha landscape' will be implemented soon. "It will include satellite collaring of 15 tigers in Vidarbha. The NTCA has recommended the project to ministry of environment, forest and climate change (MoEFCC)," Bhagat said.
Pench officials had planned to collar Jai last month, but the rains ensured he could not be tracked. "For the past three-four days, our team had been tracking Jai, also called as UK T1. Finally, it was majestically walking on the road at around 9am on the Ranbodi Tippat trail when the team led by WII scientist Bilal Habib tranquillized the tiger," said MS Reddy, chief conservator of forests (CCF) & field director of Pench. Additional PCCF for wildlife Meyipokyim Aier, assistant conservator of forests (ACF) Uttam Sawant, WII scientist Dr Parag Nigam, range forest officer (RFO) GF Luche and field staff were present.
The majestic Jai had migrated from Navegaon-Nagzira Tiger Reserve (NNTR) in September 2013 and sired as many as 11 cubs from four females in Umred-Karhandla. He covered huge distances in the sanctuary as well as in the park periphery.
Jai has also ventured near villages, causing fear among locals. It has preyed on cattle causing resentment. In March this year, Karhandla villagers had even threatened to close down the sanctuary after Jai killed a bullock.
After the Karhandla incident, Pench officials had sought permission from PCCF (wildlife) to radio collar Jai so that his movements and human interface could be monitored by trained staff. "Permission was granted to radio-collar Jai, who is arguably one of the biggest tigers in the Central Indian landscape. The mission was accomplished in just 30 minutes," said Reddy.
WII scientist Habib said, "After collaring, Jai soon got back to his senses and moved about normally and is in sound health. The team of forest rangers and guards will now constantly monitor its movement and whereabouts. The signals through satellite will also be received by the field director and WII scientists."
COLLAR TIGHT
Kala: Also known as Tass tigress was rescued and released in November 2012 from an open irrigation well near Tass in Bhiwapur. It was radio-collared by then PCCF SK Khetarpal. The collaring led to new findings on Tadoba corridor and habitat
Gabbar: The full grown male from Tadoba was collared under NTCA-WII-forest department joint project in October 2014. Collaring helped find out the male's territory and park dynamics
Chhoti Tara: The female tigress from Tadoba was collared in October 2014, a few days after Gabbar was fitted with a collar. It helped Tadoba understand tiger occupancy, breeding, prey base, ecology in the park
Sukhwasi: The six-year-old tigress, which was hand-reared in captivity at Pench, was collared to be released in its original habitat but it failed to survive and was captured again in June this year
Jai: Two male tigers, Jai and Viru, were born in 2010 to tigress Mai in Nagzira wildlife sanctuary. While Viru is feared poached, Jai migrated in search of a female to Umred-Karhandla in September 2013. Jai is a tourist-friendly tiger and never disappoints if sighted.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/Umred-Karhandla-tiger-Jai-fitted-with-radio-collar/articleshow/48977683.cms
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Roflcopters - 10-29-2015
Thanks prathap, also since Dr.Bilal Habib radiocollared Jai. theres a possibility that he might have weighed Jai as well.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-30-2015
I will ask him about Jai.
Here we go again, let us pay a lot of attention to Jai in the year to come. We saw an obvious change in Gabbar after collaring in attitude towards people, weight and possibly aggression (but he was already aggressively seeking territory prior to the collaring)
Things to Monitor
-Weight Fluctuation
-Aggression
-Emotional state
-Attitude towards man
This isn't meant to start the "collar or not" debate, simple a study we should do on our own and try to build as much data as we can, we have now seen a few collarings in the recent years, no reason we cannot study these with our own two eyes.
Edit: I have emailed him and await a reply.
On a side note, I have never been more excited of a Tigers weight, this will truly tell me if video and images can really paint a picture as to a tigers true size or not.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-30-2015
Well, I have received word back and here is what I asked and his response
He wrote:
From Bilal Habib [email protected]
"220 kg"
On 10/30/2015 9:38 PM, XXXXX XXXXXX wrote:
Good after Dr, I saw that you recently radio collared Jai from Umred and I was curious if you were able to weigh him?
If so I was wondering what his weight was and if you took any other measurements, like head and body, total length, chest, neck, forelimbs etc?
Thank you so much for your time, Jai is one of my favorite tigers at the moment, I'm always amazed by his sheer size when I see images or videos of him, I am very interested to see what his actual weight is?
Thanks again
While its very vague, Its confirmed. I wish he was a little more forthcoming with information regarding the actual weight and measurements but you can't look a gift horse in the mouth.
But there you have it, 220kg
I think we all were suspecting more from such a massive looking tiger on film, but that settles the debate. The only true way to know a cats real size is to see them in person and not just one, but many. From now on I suggest that we hold hunters estimates in the highest regard, especially ones with weights and total measurements.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - sanjay - 10-30-2015
Really 220 KG for male like Jai ?
Its surprising, I was thinking him at least 240kg
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-30-2015
(10-30-2015, 09:46 PM)sanjay Wrote: Really 220 KG for male like Jai ?
Its surprising, I was thinking him at least 240kg
It just goes to show you that images and video can be deceiving. But I really wish the good Dr. gave me a little more info on it, he is always very vague and short with his responses but like I said, you cannot look a gift horse in the mouth. I appreciate the fact that he responds at all.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - tigerluver - 10-30-2015
I believe Dr. Habib was the one who weighed young T24 too. Looks like length gets you more weight than stockiness from this small sample size.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Roflcopters - 10-30-2015
That could be the scale capacity he had, theres no way Jai the giant is 220kg.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-30-2015
(10-30-2015, 10:09 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: That could be the scale capacity he had, theres no way Jai the giant is 220kg.
Good question, I just asked him that as well.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Roflcopters - 10-30-2015
Also from the sources available, the entire operation took 30 minute from the time they tranquilized him and got everything done. theres no way they had enough time to whip out a weighing scale and weigh him. I dont even think Dr.Bilal habib weighed Gabbar, Choti tara or Jai. It just seems like gross estimates at this point and until there are measurements explaining the weights. I can't settle with that.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-30-2015
(10-30-2015, 10:19 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: Also from the sources available, the entire operation took 30 minute from the time they tranquilized him and got everything done. theres no way they had enough time to whip out a weighing scale and weigh him. I dont even think Dr.Bilal habib weighed Gabbar, Choti tara or Jai. It just seems like gross estimates at this point and until there are measurements explaining the weights. I can't settle with that.
Its a very sensitive road, he says Gabbar and Choti "are 100%" confirmed so I must take him at his word. Hopefully he gets back to me about the scale capacity for Jai, but I do wish I got a little more of a response but I'm sure he's a busy guy. I think he deserves the benefit of a doubt at the moment, just my opinion.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Roflcopters - 10-30-2015
(10-30-2015, 10:22 PM)Pckts Wrote:(10-30-2015, 10:19 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: Also from the sources available, the entire operation took 30 minute from the time they tranquilized him and got everything done. theres no way they had enough time to whip out a weighing scale and weigh him. I dont even think Dr.Bilal habib weighed Gabbar, Choti tara or Jai. It just seems like gross estimates at this point and until there are measurements explaining the weights. I can't settle with that.
Its a very sensitive road, he says they are 100% confirmed so I must take him at his word. Hopefully he gets back to me about the scale capacity for Jai, but I do wish I got a little more of a response but I'm sure he's a busy guy. I think he deserves the benefit of a doubt at the moment, just my opinion.
Try contacting Dr. Parag Nigam from Wildlife Institute of India because he was also present at the scene.
http://www.wii.gov.in/parag_nigam
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - sanjay - 10-30-2015
Well, I will take this weight because it is form a reliable person, whatever is the condition . Because this type of doubts can be raised to other measurements as well. All the verified weight so far may have some errors, but this is how we accept them
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-30-2015
(10-30-2015, 10:26 PM)Roflcopters Wrote:Did it(10-30-2015, 10:22 PM)Pckts Wrote:(10-30-2015, 10:19 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: Also from the sources available, the entire operation took 30 minute from the time they tranquilized him and got everything done. theres no way they had enough time to whip out a weighing scale and weigh him. I dont even think Dr.Bilal habib weighed Gabbar, Choti tara or Jai. It just seems like gross estimates at this point and until there are measurements explaining the weights. I can't settle with that.
Its a very sensitive road, he says they are 100% confirmed so I must take him at his word. Hopefully he gets back to me about the scale capacity for Jai, but I do wish I got a little more of a response but I'm sure he's a busy guy. I think he deserves the benefit of a doubt at the moment, just my opinion.
Try contacting Dr. Parag Nigam from Wildlife Institute of India because he was also present at the scene.
http://www.wii.gov.in/parag_nigam
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Roflcopters - 10-30-2015
Im with you on that Sanjay, I have no problem accepting the weight either but I still have some questions and I believe scale capacity could be a factor. I guess we'll just have to wait for Pckts email.