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RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - BA0701 - 09-08-2024
(09-08-2024, 09:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:(09-08-2024, 08:17 PM)BA0701 Wrote:(09-08-2024, 11:29 AM)BigLion39 Wrote: Olobor case update from a few days ago. Thanks to Luis Franco Jr and David Kipruto and their team for all their tremendous efforts. Its the best the animals and us get as the courts refused to take criminal action.
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While, this is tremendously good news, I thought such protections already existed for the big cats, in the same way it is illegal to permit your domestic herds to graze within the conservancy, as well. I hope they enforce these new laws strictly, and that there are strict penalties for breaking them. Happy days!
I think it just means rangers have more power to do what is necessary. As far as I understand, these farmers / tribesmen very much dictate the power rn, I mean they go out of their way to kill lions as revenge for their cattle dying eventho it was their actions which led to that altercation in the first place. And as we’ve seen, nothing happens to them even while knowing it’s very much illegal. I’d hope they’re allowed to put up a stronger force whether it be chasing the same ppl out for illegal grazing or hunting lions and if none of that works, they have a license to shoot to kill, which I seriously doubt they will have but atleast to me seems necessary.
Judging by the statement about the protection ‘almost being to the protection of rhinos’ means they prolly wont have access to shoot to kill but can put up a stronger force against these same ppl. Like I think u were starting to hint at tho, this is very dependant on how far they’re willing to take this, because we all know it’s only gonna be sooner or later before another lion is poached, may have already happened since that statement so let’s see how serious they really are.
Yes, that is exactly what I was saying. Lawlessness should never be tolerated, period. Whatever the penalty may be, then let it be done. Lawlessness permitted, only begets more lawlessness.
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - KM600 - 09-30-2024
The first video of the new BRBs documentary, I was meant to send this on the day it first come out but thought I’d watch an episode first before recommending.
Altogether I thoroughly enjoyed it, a very lengthy documentary in terms of per episode, but unfortunately there’s only 3 episodes that will be released, and all 3 have already been released under the same channel. If it followed their story in detail like Savage Kingdom, it’d be so much better but this is better than nothing for sure.
There’s definitely a few things I didn’t like as much from just the first episode. It’s very much focused on Olobor and Oloshipa (or Olpadan) as they refer to him in the show and rarely mentions their brothers. When it does mention the other 3, it very much downplays their importance in their coalition, Oloimina is described as useless when hunting and ‘never takes part’ whereas Lorkulup and Olosiadu are also seem to be of little importance. I mean there’s a video clip of Lorkulup hunting with the pride from the very start and the narrator talks about how he only starts to join in on the hunt after his mothers went for the kill first, which as I had just seen was straight up bs.
They also say Olobor had killed his own sister from Black Rock Pride which was untrue, it was a Rongai subadult female. Hopefully the other boys start to get as much airtime as by the end of the first episode, they’re established pride males. Anyways, besides all the stuff that I didn’t like, it’s definitely worth a watch.
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - adamstocks16 - 10-02-2024
What’s going on with the Sankai males at the moment? Saw a post the other day and it looked like Kini had been involved in a fight and his tail is gone. Quite a bizarre injury to get during a fight.
Do we know the reason why other lions such as Half Tail, Saningo, and Sekoti from Botswana lost their tails or at least part of them?
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - KM600 - 10-02-2024
(10-02-2024, 02:20 AM)adamstocks16 Wrote: What’s going on with the Sankai males at the moment? Saw a post the other day and it looked like Kini had been involved in a fight and his tail is gone. Quite a bizarre injury to get during a fight.
Do we know the reason why other lions such as Half Tail, Saningo, and Sekoti from Botswana lost their tails or at least part of them?
Can’t answer for the others, but Sekoti was born with a tail like that, and there was another male born in Marsh Pride 6 years before Sekoti, who was also born with a snipped tail. Prolly hereditary.
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - Mwk85 - 10-02-2024
Lorkulup and Oloshipa had a brief tangle with one another. Younger Rongai lioness had a warthog kill and I'm guessing they both wanted it, lol. (Lorkulup on the left Oloshipa on the right)
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - BigLion39 - 10-02-2024
(10-02-2024, 02:20 AM)adamstocks16 Wrote: Do we know the reason why other lions such as Half Tail, Saningo, and Sekoti from Botswana lost their tails or at least part of them?
Halftail was injured and vets treated him when he lost part of his tail.
Saningo left Enkoyunai Pride with his 5 brothers. 4 showed up at Offbeat 1st (Lenkoe, Jicho, Enkong'u, and Mwana) followed by Saningo, much later, and he had lost his tail. Doda never showed up. So something happened out in their nomad days causing Doda to disappear and Saningo to loose his whole tail. Nobody knows.
Come to think on it now, maybe something between MNC, OMC, and Lemek have something to do with lions loosing their tails as Saningo and Kini both similar area and tail totally gone. Could be total coincidence too.
Kini must have been caught as he also has injuries on his back. Im not sure how long ago as no updates from Lemek or The 3 Sankai boys in over 1 month.
A lot of Lemek is closed off. Rangers are at the boundaries and only let a certain of vehicles pass through. I didn't get an answer on exactly why but my guess is grazing of livestock or possible controlled burns of the tall grass? I really don't know except parts are closed just like in The Reserve in Maji Ya Fisi.
Remember, Poaching has been documented and does happen in the outer reaches of the Massai Mara. Known lions have been poached and snared in Lemek and Olarro. 1 of the Rekero Boys caught in a snare, Green Eyes. FAMOUS lion was poached in Lemek in 2020-2021, I forget who.
Speculation on my behalf....
So maybe they poached Kini tail for Chinese or Indian medicine? Maybe? Maybe lion fight and was chewed off? Nobody knows or if they do they don't share that information .
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - BigLion39 - 10-02-2024
(09-30-2024, 04:39 AM)KM600 Wrote: The first video of the new BRBs documentary, I was meant to send this on the day it first come out but thought I’d watch an episode first before recommending.
I'm not crazy about the doc. A lot of totally wrong info and info made up just for storyline and drama.. So now, in the future, for people that don't know the history will use this documentary as fact to back up their claims. BbC could have corrected their info easily before releasing it but they chose not to. Im not a fan of it. Make you think of all their previous documentaries.
I thought this doc was going to be awesome and have info that I never knew. Total let down for me.
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - KM600 - 10-02-2024
(10-02-2024, 02:18 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:(09-30-2024, 04:39 AM)KM600 Wrote: The first video of the new BRBs documentary, I was meant to send this on the day it first come out but thought I’d watch an episode first before recommending.
I'm not crazy about the doc. A lot of totally wrong info and info made up just for storyline and drama.. So now, in the future, for people that don't know the history will use this documentary as fact to back up their claims. BbC could have corrected their info easily before releasing it but they chose not to. Im not a fan of it. Make you think of all their previous documentaries.
I thought this doc was going to be awesome and have info that I never knew. Total let down for me.
I’m assuming u finished it then, I’m definitely disappointed it doesn’t get any better since the first episode then but will prolly finish it myself anyways. The thing I have never understood is why the producers / writers and whatnot just make up a storyline. I understand they want to create something that captures the attention of the audience but it still doesn’t help. It’s like with the part of the first episode where they say Olobor killed his sister, eventho his mane from the start of that video is nowhere near comparable to his mane during that clip. Anyone who’s followed Olobors story know how aggressive of a male he was, he didn’t need some bs claim to help further that logic.
The lions already have great stories, individually, certainly much better than any of us, so why try to change history. I also think the reason these documentaries are skeptical in terms of information given out is because of laziness from the same ppl who put the information out, a lot of the time it, might be a genuine mistake but they don’t check up with knowledgeable sources to correct it.
I’d love a documentary that’s 100% accurately based on some of these past or present coalitions. It’s time we get another documentary on behalf of some males in Sabi Sands.
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - BigLion39 - 10-05-2024
Update finally on 3 Sankai Boys.
Kini: popped up injured and his whole tail GONE! Nobody knows what happened but he was caught by other males as he has some injuries besides his tail.
Pic credit: Alvin's Karia
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Seenka looking amazing below.
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Lemurt below....
Pic credits: Fairmount Mara Safari Club
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They all were seen in Lemek. It seems they took the core Lemek pride and the breakaway and gave up trying to take Offbeat. The last Isaketa boy, Oronkai, was seen in the Marsh on a kill with Oleku and Yaya. Seems he's a nomad now and left Lemek to the 3 Sankai. A lot of Lemek is closed off and Rangers are stationed at the boundaries keeping most out. Some vehicles are allowed through. 2 sons of MNC Boys from River pride have been mating with Offbeat lionesses for months now. They might take the pride.
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - BA0701 - 10-05-2024
(10-05-2024, 12:36 PM)BigLion39 Wrote: Update finally on 3 Sankai Boys.
Kini: popped up injured and his whole tail GONE! Nobody knows what happened but he was caught by other males as he has some injuries besides his tail.
Pic credit: Alvin's Karia
*This image is copyright of its original author
Seenka looking amazing below.
Pic credit in picture:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Lemurt below....
Pic credits: Fairmount Mara Safari Club
*This image is copyright of its original author
They all were seen in Lemek. It seems they took the core Lemek pride and the breakaway and gave up trying to take Offbeat. The last Isaketa boy, Oronkai, was seen in the Marsh on a kill with Oleku and Yaya. Seems he's a nomad now and left Lemek to the 3 Sankai. A lot of Lemek is closed off and Rangers are stationed at the boundaries keeping most out. Some vehicles are allowed through. 2 sons of MNC Boys from River pride have been mating with Offbeat lionesses for months now. They might take the pride.
Not sure I've seen a lion lose his tail to other lions before. That has to be terribly painful, but given he is in the Mara, they'll likely give him some antibiotics, to curb infection. Do we know what other males may be in that area, who he might have tangled with?
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - BigLion39 - 10-06-2024
(10-05-2024, 07:45 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Not sure I've seen a lion lose his tail to other lions before. That has to be terribly painful, but given he is in the Mara, they'll likely give him some antibiotics, to curb infection. Do we know what other males may be in that area, who he might have tangled with?
So I have long suspected foul play with Saningo popping up totally tailess in MNC. Now Kini pops up in similar area, MNC and Lemek area without his whole tail. Not half Tail like so many lions we see that have gotten injured and lost half a tail. Its like it was sliced off with surgical precision. No reports of vet intervention. Just very, very suspicious. That all im saying. Most of Lemek is closed off by Rangers just like Maji Ya Fisi area. Also, there have been documented poaching in Lemek back in 2020. Pilipili and ex famous pride male Rafiki were both poached in 2020, fully documented.
If it was other males which is possible, could be any of them. Many young males out there now ready to make a name for themselves "so to speak". Maybe 2 young River Pride boys sons of MNC Boys. They've been with Offbeat for a few months now. Could be 4 Enkoyunai Boys? Could be the 2 Oloisikut young males, also sons of MNC Boys. So many other young males.
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - Duco Ndona - 10-06-2024
Why would a poacher go through the effort of sedating an animal and steal only a tail?
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - BA0701 - 10-06-2024
(10-06-2024, 12:33 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:(10-05-2024, 07:45 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Not sure I've seen a lion lose his tail to other lions before. That has to be terribly painful, but given he is in the Mara, they'll likely give him some antibiotics, to curb infection. Do we know what other males may be in that area, who he might have tangled with?
So I have long suspected foul play with Saningo popping up totally tailess in MNC. Now Kini pops up in similar area, MNC and Lemek area without his whole tail. Not half Tail like so many lions we see that have gotten injured and lost half a tail. Its like it was sliced off with surgical precision. No reports of vet intervention. Just very, very suspicious. That all im saying. Most of Lemek is closed off by Rangers just like Maji Ya Fisi area. Also, there have been documented poaching in Lemek back in 2020. Pilipili and ex famous pride male Rafiki were both poached in 2020, fully documented.
If it was other males which is possible, could be any of them. Many young males out there now ready to make a name for themselves "so to speak". Maybe 2 young River Pride boys sons of MNC Boys. They've been with Offbeat for a few months now. Could be 4 Enkoyunai Boys? Could be the 2 Oloisikut young males, also sons of MNC Boys. So many other young males.
While I am in no way saying you are wrong, or questioning what you said, merely asking out of curiosity, as I simply have never seen such a thing happen before, certainly not with other lions. You, obviously, know way more about the happenings in the Mara than I, but, why, as @Duco Ndona also asked, would someone intentionally take a lions tail, is there some voodoo medicine value on the black market, along the lines of bear livers, etc...?
RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - Friarfan619 - 10-08-2024
Cool sighting remind me of mo and his vurhami brothers hope these 6 fair better. Lucky the big male a solo??
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RE: Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara - adamstocks16 - 10-08-2024
@Friarfan619 The dominant male in the video is Kijana, he’s the younger brother of the famous Black Rock Males. He partnered up with Olchore, the son of Floppy Ear and Jagged Ear from Rongai Pride after his brother died and they are dominant males of Rekero Pride now.