(04-19-2019, 03:05 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 01:56 AM)Diamir2 Wrote:

(04-18-2019, 10:30 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-18-2019, 10:14 PM)Diamir2 Wrote:

"The only thing that saves the bear is the hair on the body, because tiger doesn't get a grip," Dr Andheria explains.

That is small female bear. So Dr Andheria is for sure right. Big male bear can be about twice as big. We are all adults here, aren´t we? Sloth bear is not a favorite against a tiger, we all know that. But then again it is one thing to fight against... let´s say a 70 kg female than it is, if opponent is 140-190 kg male. Or do you maybe disagree and see no difference?

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(3 hours ago)Shadow Wrote: Wrote:

(3 hours ago)Diamir2 Wrote: Wrote:"The only thing that saves the bear is the hair on the body, because tiger doesn't get a grip," Dr Andheria explains.

That is small female bear. So Dr Andheria is for sure right. Big male bear can be about twice as big. We are all adults here, aren´t we?  Sloth bear is not a favorite against a tiger, we all know that. But then again it is one thing to fight against... let´s say a 70 kg female than it is, if opponent is 140-190 kg male. Or do you maybe disagree and see no difference?

It was big female bear,to kill a big bear of course a tiger would be harder than a female bear.
not a single case of a serious wounded even a young tiger in a fight with a sloth bear
Sloth bears  are afraid and avoid tigers

When attacked, sloth bear as any animal fights for it´s life. In such case it doesn´t matter if it is afraid or not, it fights. That is the point in case like this and in such situation also tiger can get killed. Tiger is not invulnerable creature and sloth bear is able to fight in fierce way if ambush attack goes wrong :) Huge male for sure has a chance to injure tiger badly and I am not the only one thinking like this. Some people have said same in some books too :) I mean that sloth bears have dangerous claws and even tigers can back off to avoid injury :) 

So yes, tiger is in normal case the hunter, but not without a risk. And this case, which started this discussion for me is a good example about situation, when it looks like to be so, that tiger payed this time ultimate price. But as said, that is my opinion and there are other opinions. But those videos you share... I don´t know what you try to show with them, I and most people here have seen all of those many times :)

(04-19-2019, 03:30 AM)Diamir2 Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 03:05 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 01:56 AM)Diamir2 Wrote:

(04-18-2019, 10:30 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-18-2019, 10:14 PM)Diamir2 Wrote:

"The only thing that saves the bear is the hair on the body, because tiger doesn't get a grip," Dr Andheria explains.

That is small female bear. So Dr Andheria is for sure right. Big male bear can be about twice as big. We are all adults here, aren´t we? Sloth bear is not a favorite against a tiger, we all know that. But then again it is one thing to fight against... let´s say a 70 kg female than it is, if opponent is 140-190 kg male. Or do you maybe disagree and see no difference?

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(3 hours ago)Shadow Wrote: Wrote:

(3 hours ago)Diamir2 Wrote: Wrote:"The only thing that saves the bear is the hair on the body, because tiger doesn't get a grip," Dr Andheria explains.

That is small female bear. So Dr Andheria is for sure right. Big male bear can be about twice as big. We are all adults here, aren´t we?  Sloth bear is not a favorite against a tiger, we all know that. But then again it is one thing to fight against... let´s say a 70 kg female than it is, if opponent is 140-190 kg male. Or do you maybe disagree and see no difference?

It was big female bear,to kill a big bear of course a tiger would be harder than a female bear.
not a single case of a serious wounded even a young tiger in a fight with a sloth bear
Sloth bears  are afraid and avoid tigers

When attacked, sloth bear as any animal fights for it´s life. In such case it doesn´t matter if it is afraid or not, it fights. That is the point in case like this and in such situation also tiger can get killed. Tiger is not invulnerable creature and sloth bear is able to fight in fierce way if ambush attack goes wrong :) Huge male for sure has a chance to injure tiger badly and I am not the only one thinking like this. Some people have said same in some books too :) I mean that sloth bears have dangerous claws and even tigers can back off to avoid injury :) 

So yes, tiger is in normal case the hunter, but not without a risk. And this case, which started this discussion for me is a good example about situation, when it looks like to be so, that tiger payed this time ultimate price. But as said, that is my opinion and there are other opinions. But those videos you share... I don´t know what you try to show with them, I and most people here have seen all of those many times :)

" And this case, which started this discussion for me is a good example about situation, when it looks like to be so, that tiger payed this time ultimate price."
not a fact, only one of the assumptions

(04-19-2019, 03:51 AM)Diamir2 Wrote: This will be the first time in history if this is confirmed:)

(04-19-2019, 04:57 AM)paul cooper Wrote: Do they know how long the tiger has been dead? And when the camera trap pictures were taken? I wish they can show us more about the incident like pictures and stuff. I want to see the injuries on the bear.

(04-19-2019, 08:38 AM)Rishi Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:57 AM)paul cooper Wrote: Do they know how long the tiger has been dead? And when the camera trap pictures were taken? I wish they can show us more about the incident like pictures and stuff. I want to see the injuries on the bear.

Body discovered on 14th morning, no rigor mortis in photo, & bear's photo was extracted from camera-trap on 16th (can't say when it was taken).

(04-19-2019, 08:44 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:38 AM)Rishi Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:57 AM)paul cooper Wrote: Do they know how long the tiger has been dead? And when the camera trap pictures were taken? I wish they can show us more about the incident like pictures and stuff. I want to see the injuries on the bear.

Body discovered on 14th morning, no rigor mortis in photo, & bear's photo was extracted from camera-trap on 16th (can't say when it was taken).

looks to have been dead for two days or so..the head is swollen and fur peeling off 

(04-19-2019, 01:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: where was the tiger found?
  A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa ..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms
 
  Carcass of an adult male tiger which was floating in a water hole near the railway tracks in Dudhwa  ..
  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/tiger-carcass-recovered-in-dudhwa-fourth-big-cat-to-die-in-lakhimpur-kheri-in-20-days/articleshow/68879027.cms

  Field director Ramesh Kumar Pandey said the carcass was recovered from the railway tracks near the Dudhwa railway station. “The tiger, estimated to be around 10 years old, had multiple puncture wounds on its head, its one eye was completely damaged and nails badly damaged,” Pandey said.
  https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/tiger-found-dead-in-dudhwa-reserve/story-bb2DWKCXYAtDUkcIf8EWGO.html

(04-19-2019, 08:44 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:38 AM)Rishi Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 04:57 AM)paul cooper Wrote: Do they know how long the tiger has been dead? And when the camera trap pictures were taken? I wish they can show us more about the incident like pictures and stuff. I want to see the injuries on the bear.

Body discovered on 14th morning, no rigor mortis in photo, & bear's photo was extracted from camera-trap on 16th (can't say when it was taken).

looks to have been dead for two days or so..the head is swollen and fur peeling off

(04-19-2019, 02:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 01:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: where was the tiger found?
  A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa ..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms
 
  Carcass of an adult male tiger which was floating in a water hole near the railway tracks in Dudhwa  ..
  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/tiger-carcass-recovered-in-dudhwa-fourth-big-cat-to-die-in-lakhimpur-kheri-in-20-days/articleshow/68879027.cms

  Field director Ramesh Kumar Pandey said the carcass was recovered from the railway tracks near the Dudhwa railway station. “The tiger, estimated to be around 10 years old, had multiple puncture wounds on its head, its one eye was completely damaged and nails badly damaged,” Pandey said.
  https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/tiger-found-dead-in-dudhwa-reserve/story-bb2DWKCXYAtDUkcIf8EWGO.html

If you look at publishing dates of news, you notice, that oldest one has different information and the two published after it have same information. It is quite normal, that the earlier article about something is, the more there are smaller or bigger mistakes which then are corrected later. That same thing happens in every news, when there is some accident etc. Best informative value is always in articles a little bit after some finding, when details have been checked and double checked :)

(04-19-2019, 04:09 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 02:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 01:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: where was the tiger found?
  A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa ..
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/articleshow/68912576.cms
 
  Carcass of an adult male tiger which was floating in a water hole near the railway tracks in Dudhwa  ..
  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bareilly/tiger-carcass-recovered-in-dudhwa-fourth-big-cat-to-die-in-lakhimpur-kheri-in-20-days/articleshow/68879027.cms

  Field director Ramesh Kumar Pandey said the carcass was recovered from the railway tracks near the Dudhwa railway station. “The tiger, estimated to be around 10 years old, had multiple puncture wounds on its head, its one eye was completely damaged and nails badly damaged,” Pandey said.
  https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/tiger-found-dead-in-dudhwa-reserve/story-bb2DWKCXYAtDUkcIf8EWGO.html

If you look at publishing dates of news, you notice, that oldest one has different information and the two published after it have same information. It is quite normal, that the earlier article about something is, the more there are smaller or bigger mistakes which then are corrected later. That same thing happens in every news, when there is some accident etc. Best informative value is always in articles a little bit after some finding, when details have been checked and double checked :)

The 2 most recent articles state the tiger was fished out of the water.
That of course carries it's own questions as well.