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RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Ngonya - 10-01-2024
Southern Avoca sons in KNP
The Sand River young males
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on the same slideshow, im not entirely sure if this third boy is also a Sand River young male
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by Antonia - Nico Graf
Another of the Southern Avoca sons
The Plains Camp young male
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by Cynophilist
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Rui Ferreira - 10-01-2024
(10-01-2024, 09:07 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Over 50km I think.We know for sure that PC are Nkuhlus
But anyway, amazing news.
I don't think Mohawk still has some fire left to be territorial, I think he abandoned his sons because he didn't like the competition when they got that first female, I think he's retired and only wants to spend his last years peacefully.
But if he has some fire left that some other old lions showed to take opportunities and become territorial again, like Nhenha, it'd be perfect for everybody here.
An extra lion, even if old and not as strong, would be a massive help for the NKs who are not only just 2 males, but one of them isn't even 5yo.
If Mohawk helps with scent-marking and roaring, he could be the extra help they need to fully establish themselves, and when Mohawk dies, his sons wouls be already an impressive, confident and established duo.
If I understand it, they are somehow neighbors to the 3 Imbali and one NK stalemated an Imbali male months ago, so 3 males roaring could convince the Imbalis to not seek conflict.
This territory should also be close to the Nkhulus because they have cubs with the PC pride who has territory around Rhino Post, and Nkhulus are 5-6 strong.
As for Kruger Nkuhumas
What Pride is left in the area that they could get? Fourways?
I dont see them challeging Imbalis for any of the prides soon
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Mapokser - 10-01-2024
Nkhulus ousted the S.Avocas and took their territory.
S.Avoca main pride was PC pride and the Sand River pride was borderline abandoned by them. Some Nkhuku would spend time in Kruger round Rhino Post as well if I'm not mistaken so it was always speculated that they had taken over the PC pride.
Recently a PC lioness was seen with new cubs sired by Nkhulus.
There's no pride around there for them that I'm aware of, but they were with what seemed to be a Mantimahle female, and now were with 2 females so maybe some small breakaway will form under them.
Challenging the Imbalis indeed look unrealistic, even if by some stroke of luck they get an Imbali alone.
But Imbalis have their hands full with many prides and lionesses, if the NK can convince them through roars to not seek conflict, it'll be more than enough.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Rui Ferreira - 10-01-2024
(10-01-2024, 10:20 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Nkhulus ousted the S.Avocas and took their territory.Noticed now I forgot to put a " ?" On my first question ups
S.Avoca main pride was PC pride and the Sand River pride was borderline abandoned by them. Some Nkhuku would spend time in Kruger round Rhino Post as well if I'm not mistaken so it was always speculated that they had taken over the PC pride.
Recently a PC lioness was seen with new cubs sired by Nkhulus.
There's no pride around there for them that I'm aware of, but they were with what seemed to be a Mantimahle female, and now were with 2 females so maybe some small breakaway will form under them.
Challenging the Imbalis indeed look unrealistic, even if by some stroke of luck they get an Imbali alone.
But Imbalis have their hands full with many prides and lionesses, if the NK can convince them through roars to not seek conflict, it'll be more than enough.
Tysm for the info
A small Breakaway Pride would be enough for them at this point, as already mentioned, Chela's Boy isnt even 5 years old or barely
It would be a great start for them to get dominant pride male dynamics and confidence to later challange future coalitions
Mohawk on that aspect is very helpfull for them, experience is never enough and who got it more right now if not their own father
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - adamstocks16 - 10-02-2024
Is that a recent pic of the young Plains Camp Male? If it is then all those facial scars he had a couple of months ago have healed up really well.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - KM600 - 10-02-2024
(10-02-2024, 02:11 AM)adamstocks16 Wrote: Is that a recent pic of the young Plains Camp Male? If it is then all those facial scars he had a couple of months ago have healed up really well.
Speaking of the Plains Camp Male, it’s suspected the scars he received might have been via a confrontation with Lubyelubye Kinky Tail as they were together trying to establish dominance over one another. Assuming he won that confrontation and that’s why he was able to get that lioness, that’s one mighty strong lion at such a young age still. A perfect scenario would be he either joins the 3 Sand River Pride boys or both Nkuhuma males and potentially Mohawk. Will it happen tho, prolly not. Video of that altercation I was mentioning:
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - T_Ferguson - 10-02-2024
Mohawk found his boys!!!
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Ttimemarti - 10-02-2024
Unfortunately once his older brother finally came to the northern sabi sands Mohawk left and purple eyes son hasn’t found his brothers but Mohawk did I guess that means he is gone so so sad
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - afortich - 10-02-2024
Mohawk Avoca
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Go131810 - 10-02-2024
(10-02-2024, 04:25 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Unfortunately once his older brother finally came to the northern sabi sands Mohawk left and purple eyes son hasn’t found his brothers but Mohawk did I guess that means he is gone so so sad
I have been wanting to ask. The two young Nukhuma male lions are Ridge nose son and other Nukhuma male lion is his brother who is blonde son?
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Go131810 - 10-02-2024
(10-02-2024, 08:11 AM)Go131810 Wrote:Yes is strange how Mohawk leaves when the Northern Avoca male lion is in the north. I wonder if they have seen each other. I was wondering if Mohawk wanted to bond with the Black Damn male or he did, but he could not stay with Mohawk. I wonder if it is what made Mohawk go to Kruger, but he is with his sons that is good. Then maybe later he would go back to the Nukhuma lionesses. He looks good.(10-02-2024, 04:25 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Unfortunately once his older brother finally came to the northern sabi sands Mohawk left and purple eyes son hasn’t found his brothers but Mohawk did I guess that means he is gone so so sad
I have been wanting to ask. The two young Nukhuma male lions are Ridge nose son and other Nukhuma male lion is his brother who is blonde son?
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Rui Ferreira - 10-02-2024
(10-02-2024, 08:11 AM)Go131810 Wrote:(10-02-2024, 04:25 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Unfortunately once his older brother finally came to the northern sabi sands Mohawk left and purple eyes son hasn’t found his brothers but Mohawk did I guess that means he is gone so so sad
I have been wanting to ask. The two young Nukhuma male lions are Ridge nose son and other Nukhuma male lion is his brother who is blonde son?
Chela's son is most likely Blondie's
Again "we cant be sure because theres no dna test..."
But that face for me is a dna test in itself
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Ngonya - 10-02-2024
1/2 Kruger Nkuhuma males
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by Vernique Loster
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Ngonya - 10-03-2024
this picture looks like Mohawk with his two sons in Kruger
(blonder male at the back - darker male at the middle - Mohawk covered by the high grass / closer to the camera)
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by Laura
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Mapokser - 10-03-2024
If that's them, RN's son is looking very impressive, especially considering how he's K6's age and his likely father, Mohawk, has a small mane and body.