(06-06-2021, 12:26 PM)Potato Wrote:

(06-06-2021, 08:44 AM)ganidat Wrote:

2:40

Anyone can confirm the identity of the lions starting at 2:40? 
Are they from the same coalition?
Anyone has the original full video of that fight?

Thanks

(06-06-2021, 04:56 PM)ganidat Wrote:

(06-06-2021, 01:45 PM)Potato Wrote:

(06-06-2021, 12:39 PM)BigLion39 Wrote: They were young there

Sand River male wasn't that young. He was around 6, mybe even 7 years old by that time so in prime already.

(06-06-2021, 12:39 PM)BigLion39 Wrote: I believe Big Boy was in Bent Spines territory

It was in Mala Mala so SR male was a bit off his territory.

What was the age of Bent Spent?

Also, starting from the beginning, was Big Boy the one on the left or right?

(04-12-2023, 12:33 AM)epaiva Wrote: Coalition partners fighting over access to a receptive female.
Taken from the book The Lion (Craig Packer)

(04-12-2023, 12:33 AM)epaiva Wrote: Coalition partners fighting over access to a receptive female.
Taken from the book The Lion (Craig Packer)

(04-12-2023, 12:28 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:

(04-12-2023, 12:33 AM)epaiva Wrote: Coalition partners fighting over access to a receptive female.
Taken from the book The Lion (Craig Packer)

Bob Jr and Tryggve. Craig Packer was the one who originally followed C- Boy and Hildurs pride and researched them, named them their original #ed names.

(04-13-2023, 12:36 AM)Matias Wrote: Interesting how naming lions makes them celebrities.

Recent deaths of “notorious” lions from natural causes increasingly viewed with great regret and sadness, bringing perceptions of familiarity and closeness and even a sense of ownership – a dubious effect. When creating celebrities for the individual there is an imbalance like the others and, many times, a disrespect for the other species. When a famous lion is injured, there is a clamor for intervention, even if the injuries are of natural causes, since its celebrity status requires greater care and attention. Easy to see this on social media.

In order to see these celebrities, a multitude of tourists disregard a multitude of animals that do not deserve a photograph for not being a famous individual. How many tourists at Sabi Sands or Serengeti keep asking their guide if this or that lion is the famous one…. If the guide declines, the tourist is discouraged to photograph him, as sub-celebrities are of no interest. To what extent can naming animals improve or worsen the conservation status of a species? Does this human behavior favor or not the species? What do lion conservation professionals think of this appeal?

Now, it's not enough to see strong, vigorous lions and other beautiful felines – it has to be that famous specimen that everyone is talking about on social media.

(04-13-2023, 05:51 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(04-13-2023, 12:36 AM)Matias Wrote: Interesting how naming lions makes them celebrities.

Recent deaths of “notorious” lions from natural causes increasingly viewed with great regret and sadness, bringing perceptions of familiarity and closeness and even a sense of ownership – a dubious effect. When creating celebrities for the individual there is an imbalance like the others and, many times, a disrespect for the other species. When a famous lion is injured, there is a clamor for intervention, even if the injuries are of natural causes, since its celebrity status requires greater care and attention. Easy to see this on social media.

In order to see these celebrities, a multitude of tourists disregard a multitude of animals that do not deserve a photograph for not being a famous individual. How many tourists at Sabi Sands or Serengeti keep asking their guide if this or that lion is the famous one…. If the guide declines, the tourist is discouraged to photograph him, as sub-celebrities are of no interest. To what extent can naming animals improve or worsen the conservation status of a species? Does this human behavior favor or not the species? What do lion conservation professionals think of this appeal?

Now, it's not enough to see strong, vigorous lions and other beautiful felines – it has to be that famous specimen that everyone is talking about on social media.

I agree with most everything you said, but the naming of these cats also has benefits as well. People become invested in those names, they feel a connection, and wish to follow them. Through that they begin to learn so much more about the species than they might have otherwise, and they are also far more inclined to try and help them, through means like giving money to organizations trying to help these creatures, or sending an email to a politician who may be in a position to help protect them.

The people who would let a beautiful cat slip by their truck, without taking pictures of them while on safari simply because they are not the named lion they are hoping to see, should simply be seen as sad petty people. It is their loss, not the cat's, as I am sure that cat would much rather they not be there at all. If it were me, and I hope to actually take a trip to view these magnificent creatures in person, all of them, not just the cats, and I will fill memory cards up with countless images to document every creature I was fortunate enough to observe in person. So, there are some benefits to those names, and I personally believe those benefits outweigh the pettiness of a few certain individuals.

(05-12-2018, 05:38 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: Dinokeng male from the Kololo Game Reserve in South Africa. Said to be an absolute monster of a male lion by a friend of mine that had the luck to see him. There was a younger male in the same Reserve (doesn't know the name) he said was even bigger framed and had bigger paws. 

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