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RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Potato - 07-23-2024
(07-23-2024, 08:50 AM)Go131810 Wrote: Does the young male lion look more like Dark mane Avoca or Blondie Avoca male lions?Almost copy paste Dark Mane Avoca.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Mapokser - 07-23-2024
@Friarfan619 they did, all 3 Avocas mated with Talamati and Nkuhuma prides, only the 2021 generation of NK cubs are Blondie/Mohawk, all the other offspring was sired by the 3 of them together.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Friarfan619 - 07-24-2024
(07-23-2024, 07:58 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Friarfan619 they did, all 3 Avocas mated with Talamati and Nkuhuma prides, only the 2021 generation of NK cubs are Blondie/Mohawk, all the other offspring was sired by the 3 of them together.
I've seen videos saying dm mated with nkuhuma, and was only male to mate with talamati.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - KM600 - 07-24-2024
(07-24-2024, 02:27 AM)Friarfan619 Wrote:(07-23-2024, 07:58 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Friarfan619 they did, all 3 Avocas mated with Talamati and Nkuhuma prides, only the 2021 generation of NK cubs are Blondie/Mohawk, all the other offspring was sired by the 3 of them together.
I've seen videos saying dm mated with nkuhuma, and was only male to mate with talamati.
The Avocas ended up taking over Talamatis first as they held territory in Manyeleti, as opposed to Nkuhumas being solely in Sabi Sands. All 3 Avocas mated with the Talamatis and then the Nkuhumas. DM was the only one to mate with Talamatis after he split from Mohawk and Blondie but the cubs that were born, didn’t survive.
DM also did mate with Nkuhumas in 2021, even after the split, I remember hearing he was mating with some of the younger females but I don’t know which females gave birth in 2021, so he’s always been the least likely candidate to have fathered the litters for that year.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - afortich - 07-24-2024
Mohawk having a meal
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Go131810 - 07-24-2024
(07-23-2024, 04:52 PM)Potato Wrote:(07-23-2024, 08:50 AM)Go131810 Wrote: Does the young male lion look more like Dark mane Avoca or Blondie Avoca male lions?Almost copy paste Dark Mane Avoca.
Yes he does look like Dark mane. I have read when he was younger how he might of been the son of blondie.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - BA0701 - 07-24-2024
(07-24-2024, 05:18 AM)afortich Wrote: Mohawk having a meal
Not sure what is causing the sudden influx of giraffe kills, but seems everyone is eating one these days. They do not appear to be new born, as if they were then perhaps it would be a sign of giraffe birthing season, though not full grown either, so perhaps there is some sort of migration taking place?
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Mwk85 - 07-25-2024
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RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - GhostCatP-22 - 07-25-2024
(07-25-2024, 02:50 PM)Mwk85 Wrote:
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Just curious is he hunted and caught or stole the impala?
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - criollo2mil - 07-25-2024
Once again, only two of the Nkuhumas have been sighted together. The guide I speak with says the third boy has not been seen in several weeks despite rumors to the contrary.
This sighting is a bit further south to where they had been spending time w a few females of the matinmahle pride.
“The 2 Nkuhuma Boys seen this morning & looking amazing! They have really bulked up!!!
10:00am
2 Lions stationary
H1-2, Mantimahle, between Olifants waterhole and H12
Near Skukuza"
Credit: Caroline
July 25, 2024”
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Mapokser - 07-25-2024
Nomadhood is way too harsh for male lions even if they manage to leave at an ideal age like these NK did ( as 4yo adults ). More likely than not they'll lose members during this phase.
Even if we look at Kambulas who were 6, they were incredibly lucky to get to this point with all 6 alive, because they got caught multiple times, even the Kruger brothers did ( I remember them being split and one with a badly scarred back ).
Only way for young males to avoid that is if they are lucky enough to leave at 5yo where they can potentially become territorial quickly, without the need to roam avoiding dominant males for years.
The only other way is if they develop much quicker than average and can already challenge as 4yo, but this is also very rare, regardless of numbers.
If the third NK is gone, I hope at least the remaining 2 can be successful, they are impressive and not even in their prime so their situation isn't that bad, just a shame they went from a 5 strong coalition to being just a duo in the span of a few months.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - KM600 - 07-25-2024
Interesting how Chelas boy and RN son always seemed the best bonded, to me, and here they are stronger than ever potentially taking over a pride in the near future. The situation with the remaining twin has been weird ever since Mohawk returned and we started getting more updates on them, spending a lot of time alone despite being their weakest member. Normally the bigger males spend additional time alone due to their confidence being so much higher. He’s certainly not as developed as his two brothers and wouldn’t be able to hold his own against rival males. No idea why he’d stay separated.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Friarfan619 - 07-25-2024
There seems to always be 1 who prefer solitary life in these newer Avoca
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Cath2020 - 07-26-2024
He might not be as strong as the other two and had to compete for females/food, etc.... Or he could have been bullied by the stronger duo. He lost his littermate and has not bonded as well with the others. What a shame.
RE: Avoca Male Lions and Their Male Lineage - Go131810 - 07-26-2024
(07-25-2024, 06:30 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Once again, only two of the Nkuhumas have been sighted together. The guide I speak with says the third boy has not been seen in several weeks despite rumors to the contrary.Is one of them blonde son and twin of another Nukhuma ? The other male lion is Ridge nose son?
This sighting is a bit further south to where they had been spending time w a few females of the matinmahle pride.
“The 2 Nkuhuma Boys seen this morning & looking amazing! They have really bulked up!!!
10:00am
2 Lions stationary
H1-2, Mantimahle, between Olifants waterhole and H12
Near Skukuza"
Credit: Caroline
July 25, 2024”