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RE: Lion Predation - chaos - 01-20-2015
Not sure if this has posted. This lion single handedly takes this bull buffalo down. No assist to
his partners on this. Not the largest, but nonetheless, male
http://youtu.be/L3aAGPa3Ifk
Seems more videos are surfacing.
RE: Lion Predation - Pckts - 01-20-2015
(01-20-2015, 01:47 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 01:30 AM)'chaos' Wrote:He specifically states males lions and their hunting of larger prey, together. Packer can be proven wrong, but it just hasn't happened yet and he has decades of expierence with these aniimals in their wild settings. So his word is gold compared to any of ours.(01-20-2015, 01:23 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:(01-20-2015, 12:40 AM)'faess' Wrote: I'm trying to find the site where I read the source from but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8XIRo8b-s
He more or less says the same around 9:00 but wasn't as specific.
TFS, intersting listen.
I do believe he was talking about lionesses. No mention of males. We've already seen it happen before with adult cows.
Even Packer can proven wrong.
'chaos' Wrote: Not sure if this has already been posted. This lion single handedly takes this bull buffalo down. No assist to
his partners on this. Not the largest, but nonetheless, male.
http://youtu.be/L3aAGPa3Ifk
Seems more videos are surfacing.
Already posted here, its a cow. No Testicles, and there are 3 lions on it.
Seems that the same videos are posted because none are able find any with a single lion taking down a adult bull buffalo.
Just watched the whole video and there are absolutely No testicles on that cow. So either one of two things, its a cow (the size of it would definitely lead you believe that it is) or its a juevenile and its testicles have not dropped yet, right?
RE: Lion Predation - chaos - 01-20-2015
After a further listen to Packer, he does mention male lions, my bad. He also states they have "almost" no chance.
We all know what "almost" means. Its not the same as "absolutely". I never claimed it happens often. You on the
other hand stated theres no proof it "ever" happens or has happened.
RE: Lion Predation - Pckts - 01-20-2015
(01-20-2015, 02:02 AM)'chaos' Wrote: After a further listen to Packer, he does mention male lions, my bad. He also states they have "almost" no chance.
We all know what "almost" means. Its not the same as "absolutely". I never claimed it happens often. You on the
other hand stated theres no proof it "ever" happens or has happened.
You are splitting hairs, he specifically says "almost no chance" so that is pretty much stating that it isn't going to happen. But like any scientist, you should always leave some room for new findings. The world isn't made up of absolutes, there can always be a exception.
Now in regards to the Cow, I don't know enough about the difference in cow and bull urinating technique to try and determine ones urination to another. I do know one thing for a absolute fact, males have testicles.
That cow does not, so one of two things can be determined. Either.......... Its a cow or its a juvenile who hasnt had its testicles drop yet.
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There are also 3 male lions there which all could of attributed to the hunt, chasing the prey attacking different points etc. They also still bite at the hind legs so its still not a lone lion taking down a adult bull buffalo which of course is what this entire debate is based off of.
RE: Lion Predation - Pckts - 01-20-2015
Since this video got lost in the debate, I am reposting it.
Credit to @faess on the find, its an interesting Listen if you have the time.
RE: Lion Predation - TheLioness - 01-20-2015
http://blog.londolozi.com/2011/06/buffalo-escapes-death-attacks-lions/
Watching how easily these two young and inexperienced lionesses took down this buffalo bull, I have no doubt that a male lion has not done the say, not everyone uploads videos or posts accounts online.
*Love the part where the lioness noticed the other buffalo coming in and takes a agile leap of the buffalos head to avid injury.
And I will disagree that tigers are superior hunters because of agility, possibly when it comes to males vs males, however each has their own role, different areas they hunt, different prey, to conclude who is better when each hunts differently is stupid, both have killed very large animals.
RE: Lion Predation - Pckts - 01-20-2015
(01-20-2015, 05:40 AM)'TheLioness' Wrote: http://blog.londolozi.com/2011/06/buffalo-escapes-death-attacks-lions/"Agile leap"
Watching how easily these two young and inexperienced lionesses took down this buffalo bull, I have no doubt that a male lion has not done the say, not everyone uploads videos or posts accounts online.
*Love the part where the lioness noticed the other buffalo coming in and takes a agile leap of the buffalos head to avid injury.
And I will disagree that tigers are superior hunters because of agility, possibly when it comes to males vs males, however each has their own role, different areas they hunt, different prey, to conclude who is better when each hunts differently is stupid, both have killed very large animals.
You mean it was gored into the air by the true adult Buffalo Bull, notice the size differnce between the 2 Buffalo. Thats what a Adult Bull looks like.
"A swift attack by the buffalo saw one lioness go flying through the air and it looked like the showdown would swing the way of the buffalo. "
"The epic battle lasted for a good six hours. The inexperience of the 2 Sparta Lionesses became all the more obvious as the story unfolded. They did exceptionally well to get the massive buffalo onto the ground but simply could not complete the hunt and kill their prey."
"After 6 long hours the buffalo miraculously managed to stand up, shake of the lionesses and make a run for it! Torn to pieces; claw and teeth marks scarred his bloody body yet he had escaped death and survived to live another day and give us observers another stirring sighting in the wilderness of "
So here you go, small buffalo, six hour battle and yet they still couldn't make the kill with multiple attackers. 2 male lions I am sure would of made the kill, but there is a huge difference between 1 male lion and 2. You are talking about another 400-500lbs of tooth and claw. Especially the fact that one can attack the front while the other gets a good position on the rear quarter as well as tiring the bull out twice as fast since it must defend two areas instead of one.
I am not sure how to consider a tiger or lion in terms of being a better hunter. But I think it is very valid when saying a tiger is the better solitary hunter. But to rebuttal that, millions of years of evolution has taught lions to hunt as a pride. Even though packer specifically mentions how they are not as coordinated in pride hunting setting and they aren't the cohesive unit people make them out to be. Its more so used in defending territory and that is when he see the group mentality show it self.
RE: Lion Predation - TheLioness - 01-20-2015
It wasn't gored into the air, clearly see she jumped on top of the buffalos head and twisted around to avoid the other one charging in, nothing made contact with her that damaged her.
If there weren't young inexperienced lionesses the job would have been accomplished before the 6 hours, plus it wasn't a small male buffalo, you always have to throw stuff like that in there, even the page itself states its a massive bull, clearly yours eyes should be able to see that.
RE: Lion Predation - TheLioness - 01-20-2015
Two lionesses kill massive bull buffalo.
RE: Lion Predation - Pckts - 01-21-2015
They do kill the buffalo, but narrator specifically mentions how he" wonders how they actually got the bull down since they seemed to be no match for him and she couldn't even finish a muzzle bite for over a hour". And when he first saw them, "the bull was down and they were standing at its rear" "It wasn't till they monovered around did the lioness grab hold of the muzzle"
So, was the bull injured, trapped, stuck etc.
But once again, two is much different than one.
RE: Lion Predation - Pckts - 01-21-2015
(01-20-2015, 11:06 PM)'TheLioness' Wrote: It wasn't gored into the air, clearly see she jumped on top of the buffalos head and twisted around to avoid the other one charging in, nothing made contact with her that damaged her.It was gored and tossed,
If there weren't young inexperienced lionesses the job would have been accomplished before the 6 hours, plus it wasn't a small male buffalo, you always have to throw stuff like that in there, even the page itself states its a massive bull, clearly yours eyes should be able to see that.
also what about the massive size difference between the two?
What about the fact that they still were unable to kill the smaller buffalo?
Can a Lone Male Lion have a successful predation on a Adult Bull Buffalo? - Pckts - 01-21-2015
Like the title implies, post any eye witness accounts, images or videos of successful predation from a Lone Male Lion on a adult Bull buffalo.
RE: Can a Lone Male Lion have a successful predation on a Adult Bull Buffalo? - tigerluver - 01-21-2015
Let me know what post numbers you would like here and I'll move them over.
RE: Can a Lone Male Lion have a successful predation on a Adult Bull Buffalo? - Pantherinae - 01-21-2015
Well I found some very cool pictures of a lone male lion takes down a what appares to be adult buffalo bull
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*This image is copyright of its original author
RE: Can a Lone Male Lion have a successful predation on a Adult Bull Buffalo? - chaos - 01-21-2015
I would lay 10,000 to 1 odds its happened many times. I'd walk away a very rich man!