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RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-19-2014
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I ment Zimbawe here it is. Zambia Lions appers small on pictures and videos imo.
Zimbawe Lions have impressed me. There is a video posten here where a male lion stands his ground against an elephant bull, I saw that documentary and he's from Zimbawe his pride hunts on elephant's here are The weights on them
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - tigerluver - 08-19-2014
Awesome data! Though, could you please add the source of the excerpts, I've lost track of some of the documents.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pckts - 08-19-2014
(08-19-2014, 05:00 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote:
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I ment Zimbawe here it is. Zambia Lions appers small on pictures and videos imo.
Zimbawe Lions have impressed me. There is a video posten here where a male lion stands his ground against an elephant bull, I saw that documentary and he's from Zimbawe his pride hunts on elephant's here are The weights on them
TFS. I would love to see all the weights and measurements.
Any way, when giving a area total average, shouldn't we use all weights?
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zimbabwe/@-20.495442,28.5924991,6z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x1931a4e706b17161:0xa1c0385fc5cbbfee
Here is a location link, notice Zimbabwe is next to Kruger and Luangwa and other reserves, I know lions travel from park to park and long distances so its possible that many of these lions are the same from other close locations. Maybe somebody has more info on it?
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pckts - 08-19-2014
But if we are just using the smithers and wilson weights, than Zimbabwe is officially the stronghold of the largest lion population. But I need clarification on the other weights that have been shown and if they are or are not considered part of Zimbabwe, the weights would drop for the averages and it would look closer to the standard size for lions, which is the 175kg-190kg range.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - GuateGojira - 08-20-2014
About the lion size, I am a bit tecnichal, as I don't know all the populations, for example, like those of Dubwa. However, based in my data, the three populations-subspecies-clades of lions known are these:
1. Southern African lions: the largest of all. They average no less than 180 kg and up to 200 kg in the extreme cases. Those of Zimbabwe seems to be the largest with an overall average of 192 kg.
2. Eastern African lions: They are "medium" sized specimens and average between 170 -180 kg. They are a little shorter in body dimensions, but the differences are of only a few centimeters.
3. Indian-Barbary-West African lions: They are the "smaller" of the group, but ony in weight. They average about 160 kg, but they body size is similar to those of East Africa.
This is a very rouge description, but using the data available, the lions from Southern areas of Africa are the largest ones. Now, what particular region is the top one? Well, I could not say, but based only in the actually weighed lions, it seems that Zimbabwe have the trophy.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-20-2014
'GuateGojira dateline='' Wrote: About the lion size, I am a bit tecnichal, as I don't know all the populations, for example, like those of Dubwa. However, based in my data, the three populations-subspecies-clades of lions known are these:
1. Southern African lions: the largest of all. They average no less than 180 kg and up to 200 kg in the extreme cases. Those of Zimbabwe seems to be the largest with an overall average of 192 kg.
2. Eastern African lions: They are "medium" sized specimens and average between 170 -180 kg. They are a little shorter in body dimensions, but the differences are of only a few centimeters.
3. Indian-Barbary-West African lions: They are the "smaller" of the group, but ony in weight. They average about 160 kg, but they body size is similar to those of East Africa.
This is a very rouge description, but using the data available, the lions from Southern areas of Africa are the largest ones. Now, what particular region is the top one? Well, I could not say, but based only in the actually weighed lions, it seems that Zimbabwe have the trophy.
It's not rare a lion can come up to 200 kg! Probably many Lions are over 200 kg. And they can Max out at around 250+ kg.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Richardrli - 08-20-2014
He was talking about average.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - TheLioness - 08-20-2014
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One of my favorite pictures. It is simply amazing to see a wall of black behind the single lioness. The determination to feed the pride, bravery, skill, teamwork, many other contributing factors that in the end, result in a meal, hard earned, most defenitly.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - chaos - 08-20-2014
(08-20-2014, 07:40 PM)'TheLioness' Wrote:
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One of my favorite pictures. It is simply amazing to see a wall of black behind the single lioness. The determination to feed the pride, bravery, skill, teamwork, many other contributing factors that in the end, result in a meal, hard earned, most defenitly.
Definitely one of my favorites. I believe this lioness belongs to the Okovango delta pride as her fitness
correlates to a high protein rich diet of buffalo meat. Great pic.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-20-2014
'Richardrli dateline='' Wrote: He was talking about average.
Ops my bad! Sorry...
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-20-2014
'chaos dateline='' Wrote:'TheLioness dateline='' Wrote:
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One of my favorite pictures. It is simply amazing to see a wall of black behind the single lioness. The determination to feed the pride, bravery, skill, teamwork, many other contributing factors that in the end, result in a meal, hard earned, most defenitly.
Definitely one of my favorites. I believe this lioness belongs to the Okovango delta pride as her fitness
correlates to a high protein rich diet of buffalo meat. Great pic.
I think that lioness is from either The Tasro or skinner pride! She's very muscular
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Siegfried - 08-21-2014
She is ripped!
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pckts - 08-21-2014
(08-20-2014, 05:22 PM)'Pantherinae' Wrote:'GuateGojira dateline='' Wrote: About the lion size, I am a bit tecnichal, as I don't know all the populations, for example, like those of Dubwa. However, based in my data, the three populations-subspecies-clades of lions known are these:
1. Southern African lions: the largest of all. They average no less than 180 kg and up to 200 kg in the extreme cases. Those of Zimbabwe seems to be the largest with an overall average of 192 kg.
2. Eastern African lions: They are "medium" sized specimens and average between 170 -180 kg. They are a little shorter in body dimensions, but the differences are of only a few centimeters.
3. Indian-Barbary-West African lions: They are the "smaller" of the group, but ony in weight. They average about 160 kg, but they body size is similar to those of East Africa.
This is a very rouge description, but using the data available, the lions from Southern areas of Africa are the largest ones. Now, what particular region is the top one? Well, I could not say, but based only in the actually weighed lions, it seems that Zimbabwe have the trophy.
It's not rare a lion can come up to 200 kg! Probably many Lions are over 200 kg. And they can Max out at around 250+ kg.
Technically it is more rare than not that a Lion be 200kg. Since all lion populations are less than that on average, its splitting hairs but just being specific it is more rare, especially the number of individuals that have been weighed. 250kg seems to be the maximum for lions, I agree with that.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pantherinae - 08-21-2014
Yeah @Pckts I agree with that. It's more common that Lions are under 200 kg, but certanly it's not rare neither. And that's what i ment. Yeah around 250 kg is maximum for the biggest male lions, but I would not be shocked if some okavango Lions would be higher, but that's only based on pure estimate.
RE: Largest Living wild lions ? - Pckts - 08-21-2014
(08-21-2014, 02:26 AM)'Pantherinae' Wrote: Yeah @Pckts I agree with that. It's more common that Lions are under 200 kg, but certanly it's not rare neither. And that's what i ment. Yeah around 250 kg is maximum for the biggest male lions, but I would not be shocked if some okavango Lions would be higher, but that's only based on pure estimate.
it's possible, but it may not be or it may be Okavango Lions. There isn't any data really proving it one way or another. Meaurements from most areas seem to have high and low weights. Kruger had the highest weighed Lion from one study while only being the 3rd highest weighing lion population. But if a lion can weigh 240kg (adjusted) than I see no reason why there are not other lions that might be larger.
Like the old saying goes,
"theres always a bigger fish in the sea"