(03-02-2025, 11:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-02-2025, 10:05 PM)FACR2212 Wrote: Is this legit or just nonsense?

Fourways did adopt 2 unknown males at that time (Blondie Fourways/Phabeni and his bro who got killed by S.Matimbas in 2014) but really doubt these 2 are Ximhungwes, as these 2 looked a bit older then these 2 Ximhungwes on the video.

We would need good pictures to confirm that.

(04-07-2025, 07:42 AM)FACR2212 Wrote:

(03-02-2025, 11:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(03-02-2025, 10:05 PM)FACR2212 Wrote: Is this legit or just nonsense?

Fourways did adopt 2 unknown males at that time (Blondie Fourways/Phabeni and his bro who got killed by S.Matimbas in 2014) but really doubt these 2 are Ximhungwes, as these 2 looked a bit older then these 2 Ximhungwes on the video.

We would need good pictures to confirm that.

This is the best picture I could find of 1/2 Ximhungwe males, do you find any resemblance with the 2 unkown fourways males?

Taken at Lion Sands on 12th August 2012

*This image is copyright of its original author

Same boy at the front left of the next picture:

*This image is copyright of its original author

(04-07-2025, 08:21 PM)FACR2212 Wrote: The male killed by Matimbas was bigger in mid 2012, no doubt, and whisker pattern doesn't match either. Was Blondie younger than him?

(12-15-2024, 08:54 AM)Mapokser Wrote:

(12-13-2024, 10:43 PM)BA0701 Wrote: We were discussing the situation at Elephant Plains, on the Kruger thread, and it got me thinking about the things that happened back then. The loss of Rasta was a really big blow, just as the loss of KT was even bigger, but, I still believe that the loss of Dreadlocks, to poachers, was the biggest loss to the 6 Mapogos. They had been able to regroup and recover from all of the others, and Dreadlocks played a big role in that. Once Dreadlocks was killed, the end of the Mapogo reign came relatively quickly afterwards.

Yeah, they were still the strongest coalition around before Dreadlocks died, though even before his death, they had already given up on their entire north and east territory, accepting the Majingilane rule, which came with Rasta's death and PB's injuries. Even after PB very quickly full recovery, they never attempted to challenge Majingilane for Londolozi, Northern Sector or MalaMala. I think, however, that if Mr.T had not killed the Ximungwe cubs, bringing the females back to estrus, there might have been a chance for them to make another move against Majingilane.

Still, technically speaking, Dreadlocks wasn't poached, to say he was poached would be to say someone illegally sneaked into the reserve and shot him, but he was killed outside Sabi Sands and the demand to kill him instead of allowing him to get darted and brought back, came from leaders of some local tribes.

But anyway, back to the dynamics, lion strategy or whatever, one should give full credit to Majingilane, I'm sure luck always plays its role, but the bond, intelligence, coordination and teamplay of the Majingis was out of this world, they had competition and clashes with coalitions of 6 ( Mapogo, Matimba ), 5 ( Bboys ), 4 ( Selati ), 3 ( Sand Rivers ) and never lost any members, hell, no member has even been seriously injured, their only lost ever was that of 5th in their first territorial challenge, after that they went into an insane spree off successfully competing with other males.

(Yesterday, 07:12 AM)Spaske Wrote:

(12-15-2024, 08:54 AM)Mapokser Wrote:

(12-13-2024, 10:43 PM)BA0701 Wrote: We were discussing the situation at Elephant Plains, on the Kruger thread, and it got me thinking about the things that happened back then. The loss of Rasta was a really big blow, just as the loss of KT was even bigger, but, I still believe that the loss of Dreadlocks, to poachers, was the biggest loss to the 6 Mapogos. They had been able to regroup and recover from all of the others, and Dreadlocks played a big role in that. Once Dreadlocks was killed, the end of the Mapogo reign came relatively quickly afterwards.

Yeah, they were still the strongest coalition around before Dreadlocks died, though even before his death, they had already given up on their entire north and east territory, accepting the Majingilane rule, which came with Rasta's death and PB's injuries. Even after PB very quickly full recovery, they never attempted to challenge Majingilane for Londolozi, Northern Sector or MalaMala. I think, however, that if Mr.T had not killed the Ximungwe cubs, bringing the females back to estrus, there might have been a chance for them to make another move against Majingilane.

Still, technically speaking, Dreadlocks wasn't poached, to say he was poached would be to say someone illegally sneaked into the reserve and shot him, but he was killed outside Sabi Sands and the demand to kill him instead of allowing him to get darted and brought back, came from leaders of some local tribes.

But anyway, back to the dynamics, lion strategy or whatever, one should give full credit to Majingilane, I'm sure luck always plays its role, but the bond, intelligence, coordination and teamplay of the Majingis was out of this world, they had competition and clashes with coalitions of 6 ( Mapogo, Matimba ), 5 ( Bboys ), 4 ( Selati ), 3 ( Sand Rivers ) and never lost any members, hell, no member has even been seriously injured, their only lost ever was that of 5th in their first territorial challenge, after that they went into an insane spree off successfully competing with other males.

So basically you saying that two Majingis killed Rasta and badly injured PB? As you stated there is no injuries on other two Majingis. This seems highly unlikely scenario to me.