(06-13-2020, 09:58 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(06-13-2020, 09:41 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:

(06-13-2020, 09:27 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: @Dark Jaguar I will remove it. So it seems like although we got some great new weights from him on that table, none can be confirmed to be Pantanal specimems, nonetheless it is nice to see other large males pushing 130 kg outside of Pantanal.

Its impressive isn't it, nature can surprise us in many ways.

I showed Peter Crawshaw the table from my post #298 since he was involved in all captures and was part of the study as well.



Despite I think that 112kg male could be from pantanal I can't guarantee since now we know how much boost cattles can give to jaguars size and also with the fact jaguars from Porto Primavera can achieve pantanal and cerrado jaguars sizes mostly for this reason. the cattles. so that 112kg male could also be from Porto Primavera and the Pantanal jaguars from that table could just be females the 82kg one or one of the 77kg.

That table is pretty tricky if you ask me  


I think none of the jags from that table should be used so far. since the only ones that are confirmed are Atlantic Forest jaguars.

I completely agree, the table was nice as an addition to jaguar weights from other areas. We will be expectant on new captures from Oncafari soon, I asked Edu and he said that he also hopes to capture Joker who in his opinion is the largest jaguar he's seen, but he s very elusive and hard to get a hold of.

(06-14-2020, 12:54 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: I've said it before not to sleep on the Bolivian Chaco jaguars! Let's not forget Panthera claimed one jaguar from the San Miguelito area weighed 130 kg, and when I asked the about the weight of Aries male who was poached this is what they told me:

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Aries was huge!

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(06-14-2020, 01:14 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: @Dark Jaguar you probably mean Tote or Caricare

Tote:

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Caricare:

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One last one I posted a while ago who I also think is quite big is Pajarote:

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(06-14-2020, 03:01 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(06-14-2020, 02:20 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:

(06-14-2020, 01:14 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: @Dark Jaguar you probably mean Tote or Caricare

Tote:

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Caricare:

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One last one I posted a while ago who I also think is quite big is Pajarote:

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No its neither of those, its one that the picture is during the day, you can see his body in details.


Anyways There's good news coming, new captures made by Reprocon in Pantanal and IOP team as well as Richard Rasmussen were guests and accompanied the captures.

As far as I know it was a male and a female captured


Female

Male (skip to -10 sec)

No weight statements from them ( as usual ) but I am sure Richard will post it on his channel just like he did with Richard cerrado male and his visits in IOP Sanctuary. So my hopes are all on Richard now to know these Pantanal jaguars captured by Reprocon.


and speaking of Richard check out his new video about an aggressive captive jaguar from brazilian zoo they weighed him, compare the jaguar with domestic cat and much more. check it out.

This one? This is Caricare :)

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And yes, I also saw those captures by IOP, they're always so secretive with releasing the weights but let's hope we can get them to do it eventually.

(06-18-2020, 05:27 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: Paw lengths of 14 cm by Argentinian Chaco jaguars, how well do these compare to Pantanal pugmarks? 14 cm in length represents a big cat:

(06-21-2020, 01:15 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote: @Pckts I do believe these jaguars are among the biggest as wells and even your book talla about that. The ones from the San Miguelito area are tanks.

(06-21-2020, 07:32 PM)Richardrli Wrote: In terms of averages, would the Sumatran tiger still be larger than even the largest subspecies/population of jaguars? I would have thought so, as Sumatrans despite being the smallest living tiger subspecies still have larger skulls than jaguars from the Pantanal.

(06-21-2020, 07:48 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:

(06-21-2020, 07:32 PM)Richardrli Wrote: In terms of averages, would the Sumatran tiger still be larger than even the largest subspecies/population of jaguars? I would have thought so, as Sumatrans despite being the smallest living tiger subspecies still have larger skulls than jaguars from the Pantanal.

I'm weary of using skull measurements to determine the overall size of an animal because often times skull lengths might be proportionally higher in a certain species than in another one, while the one with the shorter skull may present similar or larger overall body sizes. A clear example of this are cougars and leopards.

Based on the weights that I have seen of Sumatran tigers from different sources, their averages go from 110 kg to 120 kg, and the heaviest Sumatran confirmed in the wild weighed 148 kg. All of these weights are within the largest jaguars' ranges. But I think @peter who has studied the skulls of both species in person and is well versed in tiger anatomy could give us a better perspective on the subject.