(01-20-2015, 12:10 AM)'TheLioness' Wrote: I appolgoize for how I talked to you pkcts, I've been rather sick for couple months, getting over flu right now, and some of the things you say and ho you respond to lion predation makes me irritated by how it seems you dislike giving them any credit.

A male lion killing a bull is able to be done, I've seen it, read it, ect. Throughout the years of debating, things get lost.

If a single smaller lioness can kill an adult cow, simply said a heavier stronger male can kill a heavier bull. Its simple logic.

 

(01-20-2015, 12:17 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 12:15 AM)'chaos' Wrote:

(01-19-2015, 11:59 PM)'Pckts' Wrote: All I know is that komodo dragon nip at buffalo, the wounds never coagulate and they became weak from infection over time. Usually days, while the komodo take follow and bite them until they finally give in. While a lone wolf taking down a bison is extremely impressive, we still need to know many factors. Was the bison, old, young, wounded, sick etc.
I think we all know that a lone wolf is not taking down a full grown healthy bison. Just watch the predation of the wolf pack on the smaller bison, the entire pack is chasing the bison then all of a sudden a massive full grown bison comes and flips the smaller bison over and thats when you get a idea of what a full grown bison looks like.

"But to stay on topic Packer mentions that a  single lion taking down a male buffalo is unlikely "

And I would agree with Packer and considering he knows Lion better than anyone in the world, I think his word is pretty solid.

 



 

I'd like see proof of that.


 

Of what?
What packer said, I don't know, it wasn't me who posted it.
If you are talking about the bison predation by the wolf pack, its easily found on youtube and same with Komodo dragon predation on Buffalo. I will not post them here since they are not related to Lion predation but i will search for the packer statement.


 

 

(01-20-2015, 12:23 AM)'chaos' Wrote: Fact being there is eyewitness account of single lion taking bull buffalo (Varty), along with video of the same.
You choose to discredit them. The simple facts.

This has been an interesting go-round. Aside from some small arms fire, no harm done. Collectively, let this be
a lesson in congeniality.
 

 

(01-20-2015, 12:27 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 12:02 AM)'chaos' Wrote: I would appreciate your take on the single lion with the bull buffalo. Where are the other lions? Do you think they
would just leave a kill in the making? Also, if more than one lion was present on the attack, do you think it would
necessitate 22+ hours? Lions kill with a throat bite. That bull would logically have succumbed to just that fate if
multiple lions were present. Isn't it possible the narrator made a very simple mistake in pronunciation, which was    
reflected in the abstract of the description you quoted? It was one "s". Based on the video shown, there's a high
probability of that scenario. Thats what I mean by common sense and logic.   


 

Its a 22+ hour event, the park closes so visitors must leave, camera batteries run out etc. Park officials relay events occuring to other officials then they must drive to the event. So lots of things can happen in that time, etc.
I have heard of a few events taking 20 + hours, there is a tiger vs sambar predation that took 20 plus hours, predation on elephant that have taken all night and day etc, lots of predation occur over a couple of days.  The odin Bull gaur vs Male tiger event took all night and they believed the tiger was going to begin the attack again. Thats why they found the tigers pug marks following the bloody hoof marks of odin after the attack happened all night. They wound a animal, wait for night fall and attack again or just regain their strength, etc.
I will never try to claim something happened or did not happen when I was not there and they were.
 

 

(01-20-2015, 12:30 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 12:23 AM)'chaos' Wrote: Fact being there is eyewitness account of single lion taking bull buffalo (Varty), along with video of the same.
You choose to discredit them. The simple facts.

This has been an interesting go-round. Aside from some small arms fire, no harm done. Collectively, let this be
a lesson in congeniality.
 


 

Fact remains, that there is no video of it occurring, anywhere. And Varty is the only "eye witness'' to claim it. So if you want to use Varty, than that means you must agree that Tigers have a much stronger bite force, they jump higher and are more powerful.
My goal is not to start a L vs T debate, just to show you that if you want to use Varty for one statement than you should use him for all statements he has made. I on the other hand prefer to use unbiased people with no alterior motive who use actual proof and research no the financial gain to dictate what they do or say.
 

 

(01-20-2015, 12:54 AM)'chaos' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 12:30 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 12:23 AM)'chaos' Wrote: Fact being there is eyewitness account of single lion taking bull buffalo (Varty), along with video of the same.
You choose to discredit them. The simple facts.

This has been an interesting go-round. Aside from some small arms fire, no harm done. Collectively, let this be
a lesson in congeniality.
 



 

Fact remains, that there is no video of it occurring, anywhere. And Varty is the only "eye witness'' to claim it. So if you want to use Varty, than that means you must agree that Tigers have a much stronger bite force, they jump higher and are more powerful.
My goal is not to start a L vs T debate, just to show you that if you want to use Varty for one statement than you should use him for all statements he has made. I on the other hand prefer to use unbiased people with no alterior motive who use actual proof and research no the financial gain to dictate what they do or say.
 


 

He witnessed firsthand a lion taking a bull buffalo. Has nothing to do with his opinion on lions and tigers.

 

(01-20-2015, 12:40 AM)'faess' Wrote: I'm trying to find the site where I read the source from but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8XIRo8b-s

He more or less says the same around 9:00 but wasn't as specific.

 

(01-20-2015, 01:23 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 12:40 AM)'faess' Wrote: I'm trying to find the site where I read the source from but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8XIRo8b-s

He more or less says the same around 9:00 but wasn't as specific.


 

TFS, intersting listen.

 

 

(01-20-2015, 01:26 AM)'chaos' Wrote: ~~He witnessed male lions fighting and male tigers fighting and said nothing is as powerful as a male tiger fighting,

This is an opinion. Crushing shells? Probably a technique involved. Of no significance. Most in the know are aware tigers
are better jumpers. No revelations in any of this. This isnt about LvT. The man witnessed an account, you claim hes lying.
  

 

(01-20-2015, 01:30 AM)'chaos' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 01:23 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 12:40 AM)'faess' Wrote: I'm trying to find the site where I read the source from but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8XIRo8b-s

He more or less says the same around 9:00 but wasn't as specific.



 

TFS, intersting listen.

 


 

I do believe he was talking about lionesses. No mention of males. We've already seen it happen before with adult cows.
Even Packer can proven wrong. 

 

 

(01-20-2015, 01:37 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:

(01-20-2015, 01:26 AM)'chaos' Wrote: ~~He witnessed male lions fighting and male tigers fighting and said nothing is as powerful as a male tiger fighting,

This is an opinion. Crushing shells? Probably a technique involved. Of no significance. Most in the know are aware tigers
are better jumpers. No revelations in any of this. This isnt about LvT. The man witnessed an account, you claim hes lying.
  


 

Technique involved? Where would a tiger have picked up a shell crushing technique over a lion?
You choose to accept one and not the other to back your point. I choose to use actual proof and evidence. So If I am not mistaken then, the only actual account that you can provide of any eye witness is the Varty claim?
Ok, well that is far from proof IMO, especially with all the other non sense that comes along with it, I.E. "800kg bull Buffalo"