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RE: Avoca male lions - WildLeonis - 06-25-2023
(06-25-2023, 09:12 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote:(06-25-2023, 06:55 AM)afortich Wrote: More of Mohawk with his sons
Is it just me or does the youngest boy look just like darkmane they’ve got the same nose and everything just like all of the Talamati girls The twins resemble blondie oh how I miss those two RIP DARKMANE AND BLONDIE!
Yes. The Avoca genes are pretty strong though in these subadults. As they walked together it was obvious they are all related to Mohawk. Lol. That said, the youngest is Chela’s son. DM was seen mating with her quite a bit around the time she would’ve conceived so it’s possible he is the father.
RE: Avoca male lions - Tr1x24 - 06-25-2023
Yea, youngest looks like DM's son, 2 middle ones Blondie's and oldest Mohawk's.
RE: Avoca male lions - Ttimemarti - 06-25-2023
(06-25-2023, 11:27 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Yea, youngest looks like DM's son, 2 middle ones Blondie's and oldest Mohawk's.
100%
RE: Avoca male lions - afortich - 06-26-2023
RE: Avoca male lions - Mwk85 - 07-01-2023
Mohawk looking in great condition along side one of his sons/nephews
RE: Avoca male lions - afortich - 07-03-2023
King Mohawk looking good
RE: Avoca male lions - lionuk - 07-09-2023
Southern Avoca males seen on S36, which is far from their territory in Skukuza
Vid credit: Twinga Travel Africa
RE: Avoca male lions - Robot00 - 07-09-2023
(07-09-2023, 02:43 PM)lionuk Wrote: Southern Avoca males seen on S36, which is far from their territory in SkukuzaCould it be the pressure the nkhulus are putting on them making the s.avocas looking for different pasture? I know this hasnt played out yet but this situation reminds me of casper and his three brothers initially getting beatup by the two nsemani males when casper & bros were looking for a pride. Not too soon after their skirmishes; the constant presure from the younger, fitter and larger coalition eventually made the nsemanis abandoned their pride to casper & bros.
Vid credit: Twinga Travel Africa
Could this be the same with the s.avocas & nkhulus? Time will tell...
RE: Avoca male lions - Duco Ndona - 07-09-2023
Its probably just be a little expedition to look for mating opportunities elsewhere. But the Nkulus could take this opportunity if they see it.
RE: Avoca male lions - criollo2mil - 07-09-2023
(07-09-2023, 04:41 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Its probably just be a little expedition to look for mating opportunities elsewhere. But the Nkulus could take this opportunity if they see it.
A 45km expedition crossing territories of about 6 coalitions?
Hmmmmmm. That’s quite weird
RE: Avoca male lions - Potato - 07-09-2023
(07-09-2023, 02:58 PM)Robot00 Wrote: Could it be the pressure the nkhulus are putting on them making the s.avocas looking for different pasture? I know this hasnt played out yet but this situation reminds me of casper and his three brothers initially getting beatup by the two nsemani males when casper & bros were looking for a pride. Not too soon after their skirmishes; the constant presure from the younger, fitter and larger coalition eventually made the nsemanis abandoned their pride to casper & bros.Similarities could be seen also to takeovers of Birminghams from Southern Matimbas or Selatis from Mapogos. It is obvious that two males can not hold against coalition of bigger, younger and with huge numerical advantage coalition, despite they manage to chase them on a occassion.
RE: Avoca male lions - criollo2mil - 07-09-2023
(07-09-2023, 02:43 PM)lionuk Wrote: Southern Avoca males seen on S36, which is far from their territory in Skukuza
Vid credit: Twinga Travel Africa
This is the distance a human would travel between the two positions.
Kirkmans is Avoca territory to Hamilton’s where guide said was near the sightings.
RE: Avoca male lions - Cath2020 - 07-09-2023
(07-09-2023, 02:58 PM)Robot00 Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:43 PM)lionuk Wrote: Southern Avoca males seen on S36, which is far from their territory in SkukuzaCould it be the pressure the nkhulus are putting on them making the s.avocas looking for different pasture? I know this hasnt played out yet but this situation reminds me of casper and his three brothers initially getting beatup by the two nsemani males when casper & bros were looking for a pride. Not too soon after their skirmishes; the constant presure from the younger, fitter and larger coalition eventually made the nsemanis abandoned their pride to casper & bros.
Vid credit: Twinga Travel Africa
Could this be the same with the s.avocas & nkhulus? Time will tell...
That's probably what it is. They are really feeling the pressure from younger, larger coalitions and have decided to not fight a losing battle as they are already 10 and only a duo. Smart lions. They have tried for months and then realized it was time suddenly. Paradoxically, this might be a smart/strategic move to help save some of their subs on the verge of being 2 soon. If a takeover occurs, the incoming males could become more aggressive with getting them out of the way, if they have to have a fierce battle with their fathers to do it. This way, they come in and understand that there are no dominant males as their scent is gone.
RE: Avoca male lions - Cath2020 - 07-09-2023
(07-09-2023, 05:06 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:43 PM)lionuk Wrote: Southern Avoca males seen on S36, which is far from their territory in Skukuza
Vid credit: Twinga Travel Africa
This is the distance a human would travel between the two positions.
Kirkmans is Avoca territory to Hamilton’s where guide said was near the sightings.
This doesn't surprise me. These lions initially traveled from Avoca Territory all the way down to the SE portion of Sabi Sands....an even longer trip in their nomadic years. They do not lack confidence or initiative, especially for duos. There are always greener pastures elsewhere and plenty of lionesses..... Even if they never hold another territory for any length of time, you can see that at least they will court and mate as much as possible, possibly getting those genes transferred. Ten years old and still looking quite fit.
RE: Avoca male lions - Duco Ndona - 07-09-2023
Its still a distance that a lion can easily cover with a good pace in a day. So they may still circle around and return.
Its still to early to make any calls. If they stay away for a longer period. Then its clearer they fled.