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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 03-08-2020

(03-07-2020, 11:20 PM)Potato Wrote: I always though that HB is very underrated on this stage of his life and can hold on against most males in prime. Here he proves that he can keep up even with such a beast as Othawa male. Yet about Othawa male chassing Sassy, I think he could have targeted Sassy's cubs, not Sassy herself. Also I wouldn't worry about HB's leg. HB is in nearly as perfect condition as he can get at this age and little limp shouldn't be much of a problem.

Yea Othawa male wouldn't hurt Sassy or his aunts, but he would prob kill the cubs, idk about Junior, its questionable if he would recognize him or not, when he left him he was just a little cub.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - sik94 - 03-08-2020

Ottawa male would attack the ottawa pride and even try a takeover given the chance. Lions don't care about the prides they came from, maybe they recognize each other but even that's debatable. Good on HB though to cover those 5km alone in this age, he seems very confident even nearing 15 years of age.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 03-08-2020

(03-08-2020, 04:46 AM)sik94 Wrote: Ottawa male would attack the ottawa pride and even try a takeover given the chance. Lions don't care about the prides they came from, maybe they recognize each other but even that's debatable. Good on HB though to cover those 5km alone in this age, he seems very confident even nearing 15 years of age.

Watch the video, Othawa male didnt attack his aunties, he actually walked with them at the beginning of the video side by side, Mhangeni females started to attacking them. 

Ofc he would support Mhangeni lionesses in chasing them but i dont think he would hurt his sister and his auntis, but he prob would kill their cubs and fight HB for takeover.


Here you can see picture of Othawa male walking with his aunt Othawa , no agression whatsoever, he was just showing dominance by roaring and scent marking:


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They raised him and he lived with them his whole life, they certaintly recognize each others.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - sik94 - 03-08-2020

(03-08-2020, 08:40 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(03-08-2020, 04:46 AM)sik94 Wrote: Ottawa male would attack the ottawa pride and even try a takeover given the chance. Lions don't care about the prides they came from, maybe they recognize each other but even that's debatable. Good on HB though to cover those 5km alone in this age, he seems very confident even nearing 15 years of age.

Watch the video, Othawa male didnt attack his aunties, he actually walked with them at the beginning of the video side by side, Mhangeni females started to attacking them. 

Ofc he would support Mhangeni lionesses in chasing them but i dont think he would hurt his sister and his auntis, but he prob would kill their cubs and fight HB for takeover.


Here you can see picture of Othawa male walking with his aunt Othawa , no agression whatsoever, he was just showing dominance by roaring and scent marking:


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They raised him and he lived with them his whole life, they certaintly recognize each others.

I think its hard for us to know how these animals think, at best we can infer. So, to suggest that Nguvu recognized them from a few seconds of footage is a bit of a leap, Its possible but not grounded in solid evidence. Going on to say Nguvu acted a certain way because he recognized the Ottawas is even more of a leap. 
I think lions do not care about their natal prides or their fathers. They might recognize them but don't protect or defend them in most cases. We have examples of this, Mapogos went after the Sparta pride, the sons of the black dam male are going after their father, the Mhangeni pride killed the lioness that raised them and saved them from the Majingalanes. The Notches also later took-over their natal pride, along with their father. Breakaway prides get into territorial skirmishes with their natal pride all the time.
Considering all that, I find it extremely unlikely that Nguvu's behavior was at all affected by the Ottawas.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 03-08-2020

(03-08-2020, 10:55 AM)sik94 Wrote: I think its hard for us to know how these animals think, at best we can infer. So, to suggest that Nguvu recognized them from a few seconds of footage is a bit of a leap, Its possible but not grounded in solid evidence. Going on to say Nguvu acted a certain way because he recognized the Ottawas is even more of a leap. 
I think lions do not care about their natal prides or their fathers. They might recognize them but don't protect or defend them in most cases. We have examples of this, Mapogos went after the Sparta pride, the sons of the black dam male are going after their father, the Mhangeni pride killed the lioness that raised them and saved them from the Majingalanes. The Notches also later took-over their natal pride, along with their father. Breakaway prides get into territorial skirmishes with their natal pride all the time.
Considering all that, I find it extremely unlikely that Nguvu's behavior was at all affected by the Ottawas.

Im telling what i see on this footage, its not a leap. 

Well yea, males do takeover their natal prides just as Othawa would takeover the Othawa pride, but they fight pride males for that, idk if theres any case that they killed his own mothers or sisters, especially if they left them only 1 year ago as was in this example. 

Fighting and even killing their own fathers is different, they where ousted by his fathers in a very brutal ways sometimes, after that they are a competition nothing else, theres a rare cases that they teamed up. 

Mhangenis didnt kill Tsalala lioness that raised them, it was Kambulas, they never meet or interact before..

For the breakeaway skirmishes, it mostly happens after a few years of no interactions, when prides already establish their territories, and its mostly fights for food or with males involved, this kind of  fights and agression can happen even in 1 pride itself. Its not like mothers, sisters and brothers dont fight at all in a pride, they do on a daily basis.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Hairy tummy - 03-08-2020

I think their primary instinct is to just survive and pass their genes on. Old family and friends come second

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - sik94 - 03-09-2020

HUNGRY LIONS
Over the weekend, during afternoon safari, we found four male lions (N’waswishaka males) on the move. After scanning the area, with the sound of buffalo nearby we waited and watched, anticipating their next move. One large male became focused in the direction of the buffalo moans and was soon followed by the other three as the hunt began.


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Once they had the herd of buffalo in sight, they crouched low as one male took the lead, inching closer and closer to the herd unnoticed.


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We waited, holding our breath then in a burst of speed the lion exploded from the grass, but the buffalo female charged at him head on then sprinted away with the others. The other males watched after the fleeing buffalo looking bewildered in the golden sunset. A very near miss for the lions…


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Just has the lions were about to settle and count their loses, the sound of a lone buffalo came from behind them and they rushed to the area. We trailed behind them to find one of the males suffocating a female buffalo that was giving birth and too weak to defend herself.  They manage to secure their kill without a struggle and in a short space of time.


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We followed up on the sighting again the following morning, and the lions had eaten most of the meat already, with many White-backed vultures and Hooded vultures present to pick on some scraps.


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One of the males was barely visible as he fed on the carcass in the thick bush while the others lazed around nearby with full bellies.  Finally, some success for these hungry males!


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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Potato - 03-09-2020

They are the future of Sabi Sands.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Hairy tummy - 03-10-2020

Great sighting, thanks

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Lycaon - 03-10-2020

These lions need to groom each other more to get rid of the ticks. Otherwise a promising coalition .

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - sik94 - 03-10-2020

JR Birmingham from Torchwood pride



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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 03-11-2020

(03-10-2020, 03:46 PM)sik94 Wrote: JR Birmingham from Torchwood pride

This is from SafariLive, he and his 3 sisters (Torchwood breakeaway) where on Djuma. This is his first sighting on SafariLive.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Peteporker - 03-11-2020

(03-11-2020, 12:25 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(03-10-2020, 03:46 PM)sik94 Wrote: JR Birmingham from Torchwood pride

This is from SafariLive, he and his 3 sisters (Torchwood breakeaway) where on Djuma. This is his first sighting on SafariLive.

will be awesome if he, styx boy and nkuhuma boy can team up.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Hairy tummy - 03-11-2020

Any word on the nkhuma boy?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Potato - 03-11-2020

(03-11-2020, 10:24 AM)Hairy tummy Wrote: Any word on the nkhuma boy?

From the Singita raport of February:
"[color=rgba(85, 88, 87, 0.7)]The Nkuhuma sub-adult male and female lions have also been seen on the property, just south of the Sand River near some waterholes."[/color]