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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 04-04-2021

(04-04-2021, 10:42 PM)Pckts Wrote: It’s the same with SCI, I can see the largest registered measurements but cannot go in depth *zygomatic arch, tl or images of the cat* without actually registering a hunt first hand.Reply
So basically I have to give up on this.
But are there really images of the cat or is it like putting "record size leopard, 100 kgs" and not adding images?

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 04-12-2021

A nice looking and good sized male not far from 80 kgs

Leopard Weight: 76.5 kg (169 lb) Chest circumference: 90 cm (35.4 inch) Body length from nose to the beginning of the tail: 219 cm (86.2 inch) Tail length: 80 cm (31.5 inch)

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Pckts - 04-12-2021

(04-12-2021, 08:42 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: A nice looking and good sized male not far from 80 kgs

Leopard Weight: 76.5 kg (169 lb) Chest circumference: 90 cm (35.4 inch) Body length from nose to the beginning of the tail: 219 cm (86.2 inch) Tail length: 80 cm (31.5 inch)

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I think you meant “nose to tail?”
No Leopard is close to 219cm in body length alone.
But if it’s just a misprint, the measurements look good, do you know who provided them?

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 04-13-2021

(04-12-2021, 09:25 PM)Pckts Wrote: I think you meant “nose to tail?”
Yea I guess he actually meant "tail to nose" which is why he probably used the term "beginning of the tail", by measuring the leopard in a reverse way. 
However it is obvious that 219 cm refers to total body length.

Got it from here, scroll the comments and you'll see

https://www.africahunting.com/threads/judging-leopard-spoor.37015/

I don't like the fact that they didn't tell the shoulder height which is the thing that interests me more in leopards and also jaguars after the weight of course. 

My top interests from captured/killed leopards and jaguars :

1) Body Weight, specified if empty or gorged 
2) Shoulder height 
3) Body Length 
4) Total Body Length 
5) Skull score

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Pckts - 04-23-2021


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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 04-27-2021

@Pckts 


That looks like a Persian Male.
70-75 kg is a good sized male do you know what happened to him? Was it dead or?

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Pckts - 04-28-2021

(04-27-2021, 11:42 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: @Pckts 


That looks like a Persian Male.
70-75 kg is a good sized male do you know what happened to him? Was it dead or?
Yes, it's a Persian male and he is alive and well.

He was captured and released in the Ashkur-Rudsar-Gilan Province

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 04-28-2021

(04-28-2021, 12:03 AM)Pckts Wrote: Yes, it's a Persian male and he is alive and well
Glad to hear he's alive from the image I thought he was somewhat found dead.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Luipaard - 05-22-2021


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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 05-22-2021

@Luipaard

Didn't a guy from Carnivora (his name is Shot ridge or something like that) publish collected records of leopards from Kenya that averaged around 70.6 kgs?

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Luipaard - 05-22-2021

(05-22-2021, 05:51 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: @Luipaard

Didn't a guy from Carnivora (his name is Shot ridge or something like that) publish collected records of leopards from Kenya that averaged around 70.6 kgs?

I'm Shortridge and no I haven't posted anything about 70,6kg leopards. Are you sure you're not talking about the weight range of Kenyan highland leopards? See here: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-modern-weights-and-measurements-of-leopards?pid=139296#pid139296

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - AndresVida - 05-23-2021

(05-22-2021, 08:31 PM)Luipaard Wrote: I'm Shortridge and no I haven't posted anything about 70,6kg leopards. Are you sure you're not talking about the weight range of Kenyan highland leopards? 
No man I am totally sure what I'm talking about and it's my memory who made me say the wrong name, it was probably TwicoFive (sorry if I am bad at names) who collected old hunting records for Leopards in Kenya I remember there were two 92 and 91 kg ones, several 69 kg ones and a 78 kg one got in 2017.

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Luipaard - 05-25-2021

(05-23-2021, 12:13 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote:
(05-22-2021, 08:31 PM)Luipaard Wrote: I'm Shortridge and no I haven't posted anything about 70,6kg leopards. Are you sure you're not talking about the weight range of Kenyan highland leopards? 
No man I am totally sure what I'm talking about and it's my memory who made me say the wrong name, it was probably TwicoFive (sorry if I am bad at names) who collected old hunting records for Leopards in Kenya I remember there were two 92 and 91 kg ones, several 69 kg ones and a 78 kg one got in 2017.

Found it:


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https://carnivora.net/cougar-v-leopard-t3069-s1890.html#p160456

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Balam - 05-25-2021

(05-25-2021, 09:57 PM)Luipaard Wrote:
(05-23-2021, 12:13 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote:
(05-22-2021, 08:31 PM)Luipaard Wrote: I'm Shortridge and no I haven't posted anything about 70,6kg leopards. Are you sure you're not talking about the weight range of Kenyan highland leopards? 
No man I am totally sure what I'm talking about and it's my memory who made me say the wrong name, it was probably TwicoFive (sorry if I am bad at names) who collected old hunting records for Leopards in Kenya I remember there were two 92 and 91 kg ones, several 69 kg ones and a 78 kg one got in 2017.

Found it:


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https://carnivora.net/cougar-v-leopard-t3069-s1890.html#p160456

You are hilarious, you are using a self-made table after trying to discredit the work @Dark Jaguar and I have done here with jaguars in that troll-filled forum to later rely on other "self-made" tables with no sources that are flattering to leopards. 

Since you've linked that Carnivora link let's quickly go over this and clear the rest of the lies you like to make over there:


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  • +80 kg leopards make up a significantly lesser percentage of the global leopard populations than jaguaresses are. Considering that Pantanal jaguaresses are bigger than the largest leopards in both averages and absolute weights and measurements it comes as no surprise that they would produce specimens that surpass the 80+ kg barrier with more consistency, it's called statistics. 
  • You linked a table for Indian leopard weights made by the notorious troll TwicoFive that has 0 sources to back them up and decided that the alleged weights of 80+ kg were sufficient to substantiate your claim that leopards reach this size threshold with more consistency than female jaguars when there are only two weights in that table above 80 kg and whose reliability is not even certain.
  • Considering that the number of leopards from various populations in Asia and Africa like Sri Lanka or southern Africa have yet to produce 80+ kg specimens with any sort of regularity (being completely absent from Sri Lanka), your claim that they grow to that size "all over the place" is another one of your unfounded lies.
  • Female jaguars likely don't reach those sizes in North America because they inhabit areas where the prey biomass is extremely low (less than 6 kg according to data from Hoogesteijn and Mondofi)
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    , by contrast, leopards from across their range in Africa and Asia have access to plenty of large ungulate prey and yet still struggle to reach or surpass 80 kg in weight (30+ kg in prey biomass if often quoted in multiple studies). Your entire argument is based on the fact that jaguars have no other choice but to dwarf in size in areas with very little prey to then compare them with leopards who inhabit areas with plenty of prey, because the moment all things are more leveled up and jaguars are able to gain access to prey that are similar in size to the antelopes and hogs that leopards naturally hunt across their range, they vastly surpass them in size, that is why you're so pressed when Pantanal jaguaresses are brought up.
To recap, leopards don't reach +80 kg in body mass with more consistency than female jaguars across their global range, Pantanal jaguaresses alone outnumber them in this regard and this list grows bigger when Llanos and At Forest jaguaresses are factored in. Central American jaguars are the equivalent of Arabian leopards and other dwarfed forms of leopards, so if those jaguar populations are to be compared to leopards make sure you are using their right equivalent, in which case where are the +80 kg Cape or Arabian leopards?

RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards - Luipaard - 05-25-2021

@Balam 

How many times do I have to repeat myself? You have no business of my activity on another forum, especially one where you got banned because of misbehaviour. Second, @"LoveAnimals" asked for the Kenyan leopard table.

The tables for Indian leopards are weights gathered from scientific studies, none come from hunter records which you for example like to stick with for cougars. Just saying.

Quote:Since you've linked that Carnivora link let's quickly go over this and clear the rest of the lies you like to make over there:

Again you need to let go of me posting on Carnivora. If you can't, try to PM me here instead rather than going off-topic.

Quote:+80 kg leopards make up a significantly lesser percentage of the global leopard populations than jaguaresses are.

You're gonna need to prove that. As far as I know, +80kg male leopards occur in different countries unlike jaguaresses who seem to occur solely in the Pantanal and rarely in other South American area's.

Quote:You linked a table for Indian leopard weights made by the notorious troll TwicoFive that has 0 sources to back them up and decided that the alleged weights of 80+ kg were sufficient to substantiate your claim that leopards reach this size threshold with more consistency than female jaguars when there are only two weights in that table above 80 kg and whose reliability is not even certain.

Again the weights themselves originate from scientific studies. I don't care who decided to collect them. Also who are you to call someone else a troll?

Quote:Considering that the number of leopards from various populations in Asia and Africa like Sri Lanka or southern Africa have yet to produce 80+ kg specimens with any sort of regularity (being completely absent from Sri Lanka), your claim that they grow to that size "all over the place" is another one of your unfounded lies.

You realise the samples are small and most of the time an individual pops up right? The two Indian male leopards are a great example. You can't decide the consistency if you don't feature a sample. The Persian leopard in Iran does have a sample and they produced 7 out of 22 males, or 32% of the males:


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Is this regular enough for you?

Quote:Female jaguars likely don't reach those sizes in North America because they inhabit areas where the prey biomass is extremely low (less than 6 kg according to data from Hoogesteijn and Mondofi)

And? This isn't an excuses only applied to jaguars. This happens to all animals, it's called variation.

Quote:by contrast, leopards from across their range in Africa and Asia have access to plenty of large ungulate prey and yet still struggle to reach or surpass 80 kg in weight (30+ kg in prey biomass if often quoted in multiple studies).

Leopards have to compete with larger carnivores in both Africa and India so there's that. When they don't have to compete, they turn out to be more impressively built and Central African leopards are the prime example. You of course can stick with those flattering camera trap angles. I couldn't care less. Skull data proves enough and so does Dr. Philipp Henschel.

Quote:Your entire argument is based on the fact that jaguars have no other choice but to dwarf in size in areas with very little prey to then compare them with leopards who inhabit areas with plenty of prey, because the moment all things are more leveled up and jaguars are able to gain access to prey that are similar in size to the antelopes and hogs that leopards naturally hunt across their range, they vastly surpass them in size, that is why you're so pressed when Pantanal jaguaresses are brought up.

Once again the jaguar isn't subordinate to larger carnivores unlike the leopard. Persian and Central African leopards show that they become larger when they're aren't subordinate anymore.

Quote:that is why you're so pressed when Pantanal jaguaresses are brought up

Who's bringing up Pantanal jaguars again? And who decided to post half a book because you're upset with Persian leopards being compared to Pantanal jaguars?

Quote:To recap, leopards don't reach +80 kg in body mass with more consistency than female jaguars across their global range, Pantanal jaguaresses alone outnumber them in this regard and this list grows bigger when Llanos and At Forest jaguaresses are factored in.

What a lame excuses; the list becomes larger the more animals are being weighed but the same could be said vice versa. You're forgetting the huge sample size of the biggest jaguar population in the world. You have no idea what of luxury you're dealing with. 

Give it some time until data becomes available in Central Africa. In the mean time, let's focus on the skull data and visual footage. We're dealing with leopards who possess the largest skulls in the world and they're very clearly robust in appearance. Unfortunately researchers and rangers are putting their life at risk for leopard (and other animal) conservation in an extremely dangerous environment.

Quote:Central American jaguars are the equivalent of Arabian leopards and other dwarfed forms of leopards, so if those jaguar populations are to be compared to leopards make sure you are using their right equivalent, in which case where are the +80 kg Cape or Arabian leopards?

That is the biggest joke I've ever read regarding jaguars; Central American male jaguars average more than 50kg and females more than 40kg:


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Meanwhile Arabian barely manage to average 30kg for males and 20kg for females:


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If you look at the Persian leopard chart, you will notice that there are in fact adult male leopards weighing between 50kg-60kg yet they also produce +80kg males.

This is what we're gonna do next; you will either PM me for the rest of the debate or you will move this debate to an appropriate thread. If it were up to me, I'd completely ignore you because I'm dealing with someone who has a hatred towards leopards:


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I'm not gonna waste more time about your bullsh*t such as you commenting on Youtube videos of large male leopards where some people say they look like a jaguar or your Reddit account where you post dead leopards killed by other animals.